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they're talking about the real crisis. two months of missteps president obama says that his signature health care program has now reached its targeted roman numbers so what's next for the obamacare debate and congressman paul ryan recently rolled out his path to prosperity budget plan to save america but the president wasted no time in slamming it as a stink burger in washington d.c. ever come together to address some of our nation's great challenges we'll hear from a budget committee member and our all star panel on those topics and more on this edition of politicking. i've.
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looked into politics on larry king let's get right to it on april first house budget committee chairman representative paul ryan unveiled the newest republican budget plan for the nation it was immediately criticized by a number of democrats including representative tim ryan from ohio as their teams district this ryan is also a member of the house budget committee and he joins me now from capitol hill well what was wrong with the other ryan's plan to have. well no vision really larry i mean there was no big vision for the country no investments that we need to make here had very very deep cuts just to be able to say in ten years that we balance the budget but ignoring the fact that we are not making key investments that are actually going to help us grow the economy in research and development and education i'll give you one example there's about ninety billion dollars cut out of the pell grant program in addition to that there's forty billion dollars cut out of
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the loan program for call of kids to go to college or parents to take out loans to help send their kids to college and the reforms include that the students by taking out the loans will now have to pay back the interest on the loans while they're still in school which is just another hurdle for average families in youngstown ohio or akron ohio to have to overcome in order to get a college education and edition to that they say that if you go half if you only go part time to school you won't even qualify for the pell grants so the single mom who's unmarried and trying to make ends meet improve her lot lot in life and her children she won't even be able to qualify for the program because she only goes part time congress and what is their defense of that when you bring that up it seems so logical. well i think they are governing by a really strict ideology i think they're trying to appeal to the tea party conservatives in which they believe that there isn't anything that the government
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can do that is good there are no investments the government can make that are good and these cuts are necessary and they'll help us balance the budget but america was built on this balance larry of yes you've got to balance your budgets of course you do you can't have too much debt and too high deficits but at the same time you better make these critical investments to keep your economy ahead of the curve in research so national institutes of health national science foundation department of energy so we can build a clean economy those things are really critical to growing the economy and growing the tax base you said the republicans should the wealthiest republicans the wealthiest americans should be paying a little more in taxes they rebuff that every time right oh yeah it's slow fastball they take a swing at every time but the reality really is is you know this isn't a class warfare this is just an acknowledgment of the fact that the top one percent since one thousand nine hundred seventy nine has made has seen
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a two hundred seventy seven percent increase in their income while a middle class person it's been in the thirty percent range so we're asking we have these huge challenges to try to balance our budget and we need to ask to those who much has been given much is required and we need to ask for a little bit of help from those who are making millions and millions of dollars here not because we dislike them but because we need all americans to help contribute to solve this problem one of the key essences of this whole debate will be obamacare and the ryan plan deals his value cause with repealing it do you think obamacare will be repealed. no it's not going to be repealed it's not going to be repealed this year and i and they've already tried fifty some times and they can try another fifty and it's not going to happen but here's what's very interesting about this budget they repeal obamacare in paul ryan's budget but they keep the
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revenue that was generated from the affordable care act from the obama bomb a care so they keep the revenue and get rid of all the programs so that equals almost about a trillion dollars. a hole in their budget just by shifting around you can't get rid of obamacare and then keep the taxes that were raised to help fund it and even the heritage foundation is giving them a hard time because it's just a shell game larry and once people see what's really happening here the lack of investments but then the shell game just to try to make the math work is is for hardy and they want to change it once and change medicare and food stamps right you think that's going to happen well yeah i mean it's happening here in the house but it's not going to get through the senate and the president clearly isn't going to sign anything like that and that's really why it's not a serious proposal and i don't think there's anything in here that's exciting because no one even says oh here's a little bit of something that we can compromise on or here's an area maybe they
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took the most extreme positions just because they're really concerned i think about appealing to their tea party base right now and so you're going to you know we're already saw some cuts to the food stamp program in this budget would make it even worse when as long as we have this clash and it's a obviously a definite clash what's the point if the ryan plan is going to go anywhere and you're going to propose something this is not going to go anywhere is going to be a division in the democrats rights might lose control the senate obama has the veto plan where does this all leave us. well it's like it's been the last few years unfortunately stuck in the political game as opposed to what's best for our economy and really what's best for the long term budgeting that we need to do we're stuck in this hole because we really have honestly larry we have one extreme faction in the house of representatives that are
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really controlling everything and leading everyone else around by their nose down here so the hope is that the republicans in the house will concede on some of these issues negotiate with the democrats in the senate and some of the other republicans in the senate and let's get a decent budget now i'm not very optimistic about that but they've got to realize the political reality president obama's going to be in another two and a half years so you're not going to get your way you know when you go out to dinner with your family you know one night someone fix the restaurant the next night someone else the next night someone else and the reality is that's how congress needs to work to you know you're not going to get your way every time. i know that you've tried very hard to bring things together you wrote the book mindful nation how a simple practice can help us reduce stress improve performance and recapture the american spirit you think the other side of the house is going to read it. well foundation was kind enough to send
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a copy to everyone and no one's told me about it yet i got to work on and i guess we thank congressman ryan hope to have them on again let's get to our panel joining me here on the set wayne allen root he was the two thousand and eight libertarian party vice presidential nominee and the bestselling author of the ultimate obama survival guide read dickens an old friend a return visit with really served at the white house insistence to press secretary george w. bush he's also the founder of dickens' capital group and the democratic activist page you are what did you make of this ryan ryan debate. well listen ryan is trying to cut spending and i'm a guy who believes that the only way to save america is to cut spending and i love when democrats say when a democrat like ryan says spending is a divestment you know what spending is spending larry and where that is too much depends on what you want to cut you want to cut food stamps you want to cut medicare you what you want to i want to cut everything i think what america needs across the board cuts in spending everything that we may be more careful more
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precise in defense spending we don't leave american make its aggression but i think we need to cut everything and that's how you beat the charge of republicans being hypocrites we want to cut everything will then you can say we want to protect our sacred cows but unfortunately hard to get a republican to agree to brant you and then read ok well i feel that we the defense cut spending correct we don't want to cut that because we don't want to be making but i've been today we still have to invest in our country we need to put money back into our infrastructure we need to put money back into programs and we need to get america working again so that's the main thing if we invest in our people and we were able to get more out of them read neither side has any credibility on this issue neither side neither side democrats are never they have never shown any real willingness to cut in title nuts and republicans have a real hard time cutting defense because they don't want to look weak and so you know president obama's quote in the state of the. first time that if we continue to spend eventually will bend the curve and i always challenge people to try that with
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their own credit cards to just keep spending until you can back down it's not going to happen so i think both parties are going to have to get to a quiet place where they have an honest discussion about making real cuts in spending and you can i bet you just one thing just forget about credit cards at home why don't we just look at other country examples france spends a lot of money there bankrupt spain spends a lot of money there bankrupt italy greece the entire europe spends too much money has too much debt they're all bankrupt insolvent we're going to go to the same place this is groundhog day you can't repeat the same mistake again and again and expect it's going to turn out different than it was that i've been saying it for years that right to repeal social security that's right it will be all medicare right still around right i know we're still here and that's why i think america's got problems because in the end no one's ever going to give in on either side you think they're going to repeal obamacare. this is thing we surpassed the earmarks in the goal of getting people to get signed up i don't see what the big issue is having people covered with health care we're going to pay for it anyway why not
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make sure that everybody's covered and i mean let's look at it like this if somebody breaks their leg you know how much that costs if they don't have health care if they have to go to the emergency room we need to make sure that people are covered so if i don't think it's worth the fight to try to whitewash anyway that's going to cost anyway it's not worth the fight but on them on a macro level that sounds very logical i've defended president obama sitting in the seat on many issues on this particular issue of affordable care act you know you can keep your doctor you know you can keep your plan you know that nobody who makes under two hundred fifty grams of the tax not true you know and on and on my favorite is that no not one dime is going to get out of the deficit well actually the grand finale six hundred seventy seven million on the website so it's not about do we want to provide people an opportunity to have help health care that's like saying we want to poor people know the question is how do you get there unless you've been this is been an incredibly for all dishonest of the ages and ages the only industrial. country in the world rob a health care plan for his people who in private nixon tried why well there wasn't
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but i would but larry that's what i'm saying i'm not that you think in how president is titled entitlement so i personally don't think that the government should mandate health care i don't but what i will say is if we've already crossed that bridge and the government's going to mandela help mend the health care not one single thing that was presented promised or described about this has been delivered it's been incredibly dishonest poor jay carney who i know personally bless his heart has to stand at the podium every day and say that this is a promise to liberty it's been a colossal it's been the republican candidate you want you don't want to be doing this well without a listen here let me let me put it this way do you have to break everybody else's success in life destroy them to to win for the few people who are out of the game that's the point here brock obama could've said here's a problem there's a group of people that don't have health insurance let's figure out a way to get it for what he didn't have to do is let's wreck the entire american health care system and ruin the quality of care and the price for everyone in order to help this group he wound michael care to help everybody else i'm sorry but i
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don't want mine to be room to help you or anyone else but this is a big there are people who actually had health care and they've actually been on the marketplace and compare their current employer health care and look at the marketplace there was a couple in iowa who saved five hundred dollars a month but those are the only if that's what i'm saying those are the five or six people that you find and put on it that is for a white house event well that's not the no no my point is more call that that's not that's the thing but there are many people that's not just one per one person there are many people who have compared to here but you have to censor and don't have coverage on them and they're going to put you know larry king live but let me get a break we'll come right i'm going to stay right with this topic we'll be right back.
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i marinate joining me. for in-depth impartial and financial reporting commentary for news and much much. only on bombast and. i know c.n.n. the m.s.m. b c news have taken some knocks lightly but the fact is i admire their commitment to cover all sides of the story just in case one of them happens to be accurate. that was funny but it's close and for the truth from the might think. i'm good because one whole attention and the mainstream media works side by side with you actually on here. and our teen years we have a different approach. because the news of the world just is not this funny
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i'm not laughing dammit i'm not how. i feel about. you guys stick to the jokes we'll handle to make us happy. to our outstanding panel there wayne allen root the would libertarian party candidate back in the republican party out of that his party read dickens who's a moderate on the pound and we need a moderate by the way the moderate republicans have a huge convention meeting in a phone booth. is the founder of the dickens capital group and brant page is the well known democratic activist back to obamacare you but you also are you're not going to repeal it got a veto but you're not going to repeal so we don't know what i'm going to tell you that you're not going to take on title away from anyone but i will say as though there's an honest discussion over here and there's only about nine people involved and then there's this very emotional discussion about well there's people dying who
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don't have health you know we all want to take care of people who have health care but the facts are that three and a half years they had to put the system in place it's been a bare split and thirty one million people are still uninsured and most of the people i think six million people have lost their doctor or their health care plan and most of the people who signed up were uninsured they're people who already had iowa why you go when you have the republicans never tackled this may have attacked on health care you say they never tack well i moderated a debate in nineteen sixty two led by amie between senator you would humphrey and and and and and as the president of the american medical association was and said medicare will fail it will bankrupt america and will lose doctors well you would have every one bad debate and i looked up and we still have medicare but i think the problem is a lot of people are admitting medicare is a program a lot of americans like i get that you know a lot of americans need it but it is bankrupting america even brought up on the campaign that said it will eat up the entire american budget so we never go
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bankrupt when you look at when you look at the problem what no one is mentioning is that you say there was excess they signed up seven million people no one's mentioning that the studies are out and those who have health insurance already had it before and have it now all rates have gone up more. since obamacare started that in the eight years combined before obamacare this is a bloody disaster for the middle class this is my new book the murder of the middle class this is what's happening you are robbing the middle class to give the poor and to sick and to help the rich you're bribing the rich with the biggest companies they don't need to provide health care anymore wal-mart can afford to say we won't even pay for the well we'll drop all these people let's go find it on the exchange the people who work for wal-mart get a free health care and they use food stamps and wal-mart pays nothing but what happens to small business the middle class we get destroyed and that's america the middle class is america this is the. when you roll out something in this on this grand scale it's not going to be perfect there are going to be glitches it's like you spoke about medicare there were bridges when out at road oh let's just face
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that fact but at the end of the day we have people that are getting health care covers bottom line there people are getting covered that have haven't had health care ever do you know this is a fact because i don't know that oh i don't know the seven million might be six mil you had it before and obama broke a form and i signed up for you know well let's do what you want to favor but let's look at this huge spoke about insurance rates going up yeah so nicely to me that's insurance companies that are personally raising those rates have look at your eyes who says i'm because you're covering now lifetime caps are going to force the economy's ok so they need to go back and look at what their role model a single payer system was what is that what is europe doing well is europe bankrupt yeah they've got single payer they've got big government they've got big taxes does it work france is bankrupt their own economic minister said we don't do this thing we're saying about teams in mortality rate other countries of the right to live with that well we don't we haven't is are doing terrible only if people live also so that in fairness as there is someone here i would say that's because we all the
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mcdonalds i don't think i stay with the healthcare system i think we have the greatest health care system in the world and americans and most unhealthy people who don't work out enough and eat unhealthy you think we have a better health care system in the by far in sweden but then everyone why do the canadians come here when it's free for them and they come players and we have the benefit in federal in fairness it's like education education in some european countries works a certain way because but it's not scalable health care sweden smaller than louisiana right so i think in fairness in this discussion just try to find some middle ground everyone wants to tackle the issue but it hasn't been a glitch this is the problem has not come close to being solved thirty one million people are still uninsured you can't find a doctor who likes this program you're not going to find a small business person who likes this program so it's been devastating to the economy without solving the problem that's that's what concerns me about how about this one it's not just the health care problem it's a jobs problem can any of you on the left admit that barack obama's obamacare is. created a nation of part time workers who get this one wait for it drum roll don't have health insurance because they've a part time job with no benefits this whole aid is
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a mark time job trying to be i don't suppose. but then how can i believe in my heart i've always believed that. the course you're rich you shouldn't get you shouldn't get a prescription that he can't get i think that's absurd just to me and you can get you can get limpets or and he can't is up sure you know what i would say that's that's not a republican talking point one of the keys to saving the health care system is to allow every american to buy cheap drugs in canada why is a drug cost ten dollars in canada and a thousand dollars here because obama in order to get the cooperation of the pharmaceutical companies to support obama care cut a deal that it would not allow us to buy cheap drugs in canada because you couldn't buy the drugs in the bush camp right i greeted by mail but we should let him know that it wasn't over go to some of their issues with a little time this very good review your dream may come true. dickens's dream as jeb bush versus hillary clinton. campaign. well i
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didn't it's not a dream of mine what i would say is that what i've always said and you know this for the last five years is that hillary clinton is the most thoughtful substantive and politically savvy candidate on the democratic party jeb bush even if his name were mark smith is the he is politically politically not only more savvy than his opponents he's also more substantive from a policy standpoint and more thoughtful i think the primary would be a messy nightmare i think jeb would get through it just by attrition because he could he's he's he's competent enough to do it and we well funded enough but i think that the national level it would be a disservice to our country if we don't have those two candidates and we tell you this everyone who points at people and says well this is the reason why no jeb bush is running this is the reason why no hillary clinton's running no one knows anything only hillary clinton and jeb bush know if they're running everyone else who takes a position on this it's us. self-serving personality that has announced love mother because most people who are out working on their behalf are people who want to work in the white house that's it so neither one of them have made up their mind i can
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tell you that and i say what's wrong with that scenario there's something mentally wrong with america that the only people you can elect it's like we're back to being ill and kings and queens you gotta have a bush in obama or clinton to get elected president for the last thirty years practically like that so let's not start but that's all what i'm talking point i think that's no delay no policies are not exactly the right guy to always want to elect a bush as a republican and a clinton or obama as a democrat can someone else get some breathing time in the room what i've proposed to you and i'm sorry what i proposed to you is that if hillary clinton and jeb bush win the nomination and i don't believe either of them have decided to run it's a huge personal decision and everyone around you is trying to push you towards it for their own self interest but if they decide to run what i can tell you for a fact is it would be an incredibly thoughtful and substantive debate and i believe whoever wins would deserve to be president and we'd be better off for you for well obviously i would define want to see hillary clinton jump into the race and twenty sixteen now as far as bush is concerned i mean you know he's holding out to the end of the year apparently to make an announcement to me it seems like he's analyzing
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to see where the republican party is going because as we all know they're looking for a platform so it seems like to me he's trying to look at this scene to see what's going to pan out he made a comment about supporting immigration to me it seems like he's trying to steer towards getting a certain demographic of voters just you know gays the area i just think that he doesn't know what he wants to do is probably going to can so let me mention a dark horse i would be surprised if you don't hear the mitt romney getting back in i'd be very surprised if you don't hear what not i believe it was he's looking at yourself to better than having a treat now. let me just say one personal note i said twenty five feet from the oval office for several years and i've traveled with the president i've seen the personal toll from a presidential campaign from austin texas all the way the white house i can tell you just from own personal observation that i don't think jeb bush or hillary clinton are doing. that whole calculus right now they forgotten more about politics than we'll ever know i think they're making a personal decision of do i want to put my family through this want to dredge up my
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entire personal history hillary has health records that may not be so glowing so i think they're making personal decision i think hillary is more problems than i think she is six billion dollars missing at state department right now under her leadership six billion in funds are missing that's the inspector general's report not a republican not a democrat not partisan and he says no internal controls and it was fraud you you mentioned mitt romney so go and yeah why did you know i was signing up you were actually invited druthers right now if somebody thinks like me it would be a rand paul or ted cruz but i don't think they have a chance to make it the guy who i think has the best credentials that could make it to scott walker the governor of wisconsin he took a state that was two billion a deficit turned into a surplus he's given a tax cut back the people how to do it he merely reformed a little bit a government employee pension that's what we need the whole united states i actually think he's been an impressive governor i don't think he has the personal political power we need trolls to play the big dog loving the problem i mean is there some un known out there that we may come forth so i was actually talking to
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us about this weeks ago in talking to several i was going to dodge he's a great us talk to several people at this and the consensus of the people i've talked to who really know politics has said there's going to be jeb bush and whether or not he runs and then there's going to be probably a few governors who get reelected that you've never heard of and when you get reelected as a governor you come out with a lot of momentum and you say well you know what i ran on this i didn't implement it work and then i got reelected and then you turn your eyes toward the white house so i think you're going to have a couple governors you know when you talk about thoughtful and intellectual bobby jindal is another name that you often have but again you're not really no political not in a. national why we have so much viciousness in the country when you recently said you tweeted yeah obama is weak incompetent dangerous communist who does not have america's interest in mind far worse than jim. yeah far worse than jimmy carter jimmy carter's it's only carter isn't a traitor who loved his country but i think was misguided and incompetent morocco
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bodies that rattle got a peace through the middle east is still with us but what he did on the american economy what he did to my dad the small but you know what you call obama a communist commie is another word strawman it's another record of the progressive you guys and i'm going to aggressively made it nice but it really means you support a system where government's in control of everything executive orders the n.s.a. the iraqis you can argue a lot of people make statements like that don't you think that all you do is incite the west and if you've got a fifty fifty balance in the country or fifty one forty nine you never going to have cohesion but how come no one ever criticize the left when the left calls people like me who believe in the same things the founding fathers limited government smaller taxes or the toilet they call me radical they call six three mm they call us terrorist effort democrats use the word terrorist describes it cruz nobody says a word but when you try to accurately describe above us policies as socialist left leaning that's an accurate if you only i would say if you call ted cruz the right fascist yes that would be absurd well i didn't call obama the right or anything
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like that global commies like us commies i mean if you want company control your life i think we have a we have a very flawed system right that our founding fathers graced us with and it's always been sensationalist right even back when they're handing out pay for pamphlets in the eight hundred that's always been like this i think every day americans who are working really hard going to soccer practice going home taking their kids of the tutor wherever they actually don't take him s n b c or fox news seriously i think every day americans to know all of the sensationalist rhetoric i think it undermines undermines how serious of a decision is let me just a quick example barack obama the only data point i can tell you is he made a very wise and mature decision keeping continuity of national security council from the previous administration kept a lot of people in place behave very much early but then the presidency and i said this on your old show the presidency the decision making job and barack obama. had zero decision making this experience in his entire career i will tell you this for a fact out of his first ten big decisions in his first term he punted on like eight
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of them president putin hillary clinton would not the president would not be behaving this way a president if hillary clinton were the president so i do think barack obama has been weak but not because i don't think he's i don't think it's because he hates the country i think he's trying the best he can in the presidency is a really difficult day diet and everyone knows no one wants to do that no one of what the book so the government said is a fraud well isn't that exact same way obamacare was sold let's assume obamacare is good let's assume more people let's assume it up people save lives but it was sold in a misleading fraudulent way if obama went on national t.v. as a private sector c.e.o. as if you like your church and keep it it turned out not to be true he'd be going to prison but the writing like ours is that of that i mean fraud is that if you get the vote in the congress you win right and if you pass but he didn't have the vote either way he won the decision through court five to four. is the law is the law this might be is it really about president obama's policy or just the fact to be out to destroy everything that he set out to do from the beginning i mean i'm
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looking at it from the time he said you took foot in office there was everything it was just this vicious attack going to do the same here in the book exact same lessons but so reagan you can say what i think is why can't people we can both sides come together and let's inforce these pot is low any senator who lives there is not a one we want to see reagan fail as they've been i went to columbia diversity and i'm going to come on like classical i'm to give a standing ovation when it was announced the president's been shot when reagan was in the cessation stepped up and my class gave a standing ovation they were happy they thought reagan was every cable and he and who by the way who was in my class you barack obama he stood up well i didn't see him he was a class of eighty three political science like me clumsily bringing his power back with a more. quiet. thank you read for balance the see if i don't have a i want to hear from you so join the. reception on my facebook page and share your thoughts on twitter by tweeting at kings things and using the politicking that's
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all for this week's politicking day will be that really i just. bought some washington well it's a mess that is being suggested to the left. hand corner of my proceeds going to issues actually back to me doesn't do too much for ad revenue my tech agriculture giant takes on a seventy six year old american farmer based in india. do you think this is going to create this. do you think this is what's triggering a great america is the largest economy in the world it's also the largest debtor
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nation in the history of the prettiness that is mostly about alternatives to the status quo but one might give real alternatives to the point system that working for the american dream the next they were just trying to survive it's time for americans and lawmakers in washington to wake up and start talking about the real causes problem. there i marinate it you're watching boom bust and these are some of the stories that we're tracking for you today. first up here in the u.s. tax day countdown begins we're only five days away from april fifteenth but if you want a multinational multibillion dollar company based in ireland i'm talking you google you got nothing to worry about the. only google and figure within europe we have
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had a for on the saturday she's talking about the euro zone and whether or not we've learned anything after the great financial crisis and later on edward harris and i are discussing greece in today's big deal you won't want to miss a moment and it all starts right now. with only five days away the looming u.s. tax day is at the forefront of the minds of most americans right now and with that we've decided to take a closer look at the bunker's american tax code now to put it nicely the current tax system in the us is disgraceful however what's even more shocking than the illogical and inefficient system itself is the fact that almost everyone agrees on
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this point now in two thousand and thirteen the us had the highest nominal corporate tax rate among all o.t.c. do countries however thanks to a slew of industry specific deductions credits and mind numbing rules many companies pay far less than the thirty five percent tax rate in fact a recent study by the government accountability office found that many americans and many of america's largest companies and most profitable corporations pay on average a tax rate of twelve point six percent and according to usa today fifty seven from pennies on the s. and p. five hundred including firms like verizon and met life pain effective tax rate of zero zero and the sad reality however is that not all companies can use credits and deductions to lower their tax bill and countries like ireland aren't helping the problem no not one a little bit ireland's effect of corporate tax average over the past decade has been roughly ten percent give or take and has successfully companies like yahoo and google to it shores ambassador mark baucus who is now the ambassador to china but
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former chairman of the senate finance committee has released a series of staff discussions that suggest numerous changes in international taxation tax and horsemen and tax treatment of capital costs now at the centerpiece of his plan is a cut in the federal corporate income tax. currently the highest among the world's developed economies the draft doesn't identify a target rate as that will depend on revenue estimates and refinements of the plan but senator baucus expects it will be under thirty percent and to pay for the lower rates the plan would expand the definition of taxable income and action known as a base broadening now while there is still a long long way to go and nothing will change in the next five days coordination coherence and harmony are certainly worth hoping for especially when it comes to our taxes.
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more thin roads keep analyst at agenda research specializing in european central bank and euro area politics he has built his reputation and client base for getting e.c.b. great calls correct now throughout the eurozone crisis he has argued that politics trump economics and believes that it's critical for investors to keep this in mind now we spoke with larkin about ireland greece and the euro zone and i first asked him to give you our viewers a read on what transpired during the irish boom bust cycle and whether ireland is now in the clear take a look. i think the bubel cycle was a fairly standard quite a few cycles were. too much money chase too few assets just as in question are were housing assets which are not it was like prices became unsustainable the credit dried up because irish banks were funding themselves from just was german savers
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these were put in it they were borrowing from german banks in two thousand and seven was the crisis that german banks wanted the money back from there is quite a drop in art and the house prices that had been running very high there was no one left to buy the house anymore housing prices crashed lead to massive unemployment people love of violence art and words instruction and it's a very standard house price bomb crash and what's happened in the last six years since then a seven year since two thousand and seven is that. probably markets collapsed it has reached a bottom it started to recover the banking collapse happened that it's starting to get worked out it's the banks of the kind of extend and as long as they can but that's where i work out she kind to me which is a very open flexible economy has its exports of recovered monoplane which where they'll quite rapidly because it's an open economy and the labor laws are fairly. restrictive there would be much rest of europe so it's easy enough to hire and fire
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people so employed or drop immigration on top our science see all that's settled on oh so unemployment's last tree was slightly below you are we average and recent see it's what you cover the irish economy is doing better because not a negative g.d.p. growth we still have a lot of deflation and disinflation but that's a european issue i think the one. but basically the irish problem was fairly standard or supposed bubble was fed by a lot of extra credit that pushed. morgan e.c.b. is pressuring the central bank of ireland to sell the government bonds that it swap for the infamous promissary note that it used to hold which were used to bailout the irish banks but if the ira central bank sells these bonds the coupon payment would be lost to the central bank of ireland and won't be returned to the irish treasury now do you think it's fair for the e.c.b. to pressure ireland in this way given the burdens already done to the state by the bank bailouts. i think there must was to put these any pressure in context in your
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own report every obesity always as was pics and so on one last year was this year it was our own story editor what the irish government does and surely our central bank with treasury notes does look an awful lot like monetary financing basically either was first you know it there at the outset that there was move from one person soderbergh's by the shoes to go to our separate thanks for the sheets the title was in was the bank was we pointed to mr nos to go to bank. of last year and as part of the wind your. move from the central bank that was required to the bit of the central bank that is its own all the investments a start of that deal we are said the bank said they would sell this into the market over the next decade. arranged so i think the monetary financing part of the spear is no upset about happens for five years ago when the arsenal bank first took the snow down to its books is that point for us was the e.c.b. had some credibility to
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a group very good against us or was to allow that to happen there was no way i was ever going to leave the central bank's books i think d.c.b. is trying to shore face the same since we don't like this to discourage having those who are in the case yes and the bank issue that they're trying for complaining was five years ago. ok now islands effect of corporation tax it was approximately ten point eight percent over the last decade and that's very very low and it's attracted a lot of u.s. pharmaceutical and technology companies to the country but there's been some criticism now i want to ask you do you think that ireland should raise corporate taxes to prevailing euro zone rates. there is never. well i think the reason the corporation x. exists nor yet so it goes back a long way to those in the one nine hundred the big names daisy's are had very high unemployment and we have difficulty attracting foreign direct investment into our lives so decision was made at that point they cut the corporate tax rates to
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a level that would attract our industry because ireland is an offshore oil and off the coast of europe we have transports infrastructure problems we have a lot of reasons why companies would not want to burst so if you can just want to level the playing field a souldier see if we reduce the corporate tax rate because we don't have the direct connections was very easy for exports whether it's or sorry to europe so i think the corporate tax rate is something that the irish are going to do too should nail at europe's ice was the european union for them to start to rectify tax policy for any country in europe is going to be more charged because you have to be a position where ask is a quid pro quo so for arnold to get a position where it's willing to raise its corporate tax at your speed there has to be a transfer of some sorts of places in kind of fiscal review and i think are along with the space where we seem to want a crisis so until we are there are as corporation tax us to work this market let's move on to greece here now greece went to market with a five year deal for two billion euros and it came out with
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a three billion euro deal with twenty billion in beds at a cycle low yield of four point nine five percent now this makes me think of this very show as title boom bust but what do you make of what's going on with sovereign european debt boom or bust what's your opinion. i think they're the bigger picture sort of european desk is that it's a play on do your all this if you believe you are going to survive a big merry dragon to us and comfortability risk speech to no two or t. so the euro is going to survive so if you believe the euro is going to survive if you believe like we saw in r. and b. if europe doesn't want any more sovereign defaults then you can see just pick any bondo want in europe and get on the best yield so you may hold your nose up there because you're getting close we'll get four point five percent rather than buy a spanish bond that has much less wisk it still has risk a three point two percent or by a german bond a one hundred so i think that's. the reason investors of poland to greece is not
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because there were greek fundamentals i think said and there are euro zone picture that you're getting your examination that has it would be a lot better do you agree your opinion yours yours and yours alone or can. i i think if i was investor i think i would look at us and i would say it's probably not a bad place to go for a deal because it's very hard to see how greece is of greece would default to get him in the medium term because the redemption cycle is very stable they they have they have very little debt coming to the next ten years so all this to me is cool but they are so we should be in a five year bond at the moment a million four point five percent i think is a good body i do give you a look at that you have to hold your nose and a bonus but i think it's not about those. ok good to know now i noted on a recent show there greece's economy has shrunk to twenty five percent and my math says that if greece is economy were as large as it was in two thousand and eight
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its debt burden we've been more it came to portugal's or italy is at one hundred thirty percent of g.d.p. and as it stands though it's government debt to g.d.p. ratio is one hundred seventy six percent so here's the question how is this ever going to pay back this money. i don't to go with every paper has money and i don't . like the default i mean as long as greece these were all it's sovereign debt and i get like i said majorities of some of the soccer vests for two years so it would . bail out stuff it's going to very long george want it so i think there's the risk for the debt and you see that in italy spain and japan who want to look it's rule over risk rather than. cause of the debt and i think if you look at the saga of greek debt that they're all risk reduced and as long as greece can get some growth and we're not asking much put even get some grow out of greece it will start to look better but it will have a large desperate. that was lorcan
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a roast kelly chip analyst agenda research. time now for a very quick break but stick around because when we return we have one of my personal favorites on the show economists and of course she's going to be on the program and madame pettifor is discussing the euro zone and whether or not we've learned anything from the great financial crisis good stuff we can't stop and it wouldn't be a europe a day without a little greek talk edward harrison and i are discussing greece's recent bond issuance and today's big deal and as we head to a quick break here are a look at some of your closing numbers of the bell stick around.
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welcome back to the program now world renowned economist. predicted that becoming the first world debt crisis of two thousand and six just one year before the great financial crisis now there's a new book out called just money how society can break the despotic power of finance now we're at the first part of our interview with dr pepper for a last week and in that segment she argued that the bretton woods monetary system was more stable than our current system because of better managed bank activity in this segment she continues that discussion and talks about the euro zone now pettifor discusses whether or not our current monitor's reflects any lessons that we've learnt from the great financial crisis take a look. what we've seen happen since two thousand and seven and nine is that there's been no change if you like to the monetary regime things are pretty much as they would be full business for many bankers is better than usual because they not
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have government guarantees and they have sponsorship if you like by the central bank and they're not able to borrow at very very low the lowest rates greats almost in history so business is better than usual for bankers in the finance sector since the crisis and the monetary system hasn't really changed there hasn't been not drag elation and there hasn't been you know. the issue of bags that are too big to fail has not been addressed and the issue of of money being created to inflate assets is also not being addressed and we are living in london where there is currently an extraordinary property boom asset boom in property in property assets a boom in property assets and this is it fuelled if you like by private bank money guaranteed by government money so the possibility of another financial crisis is is very very real until we actually manage the monetary system more carefully than we
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. today unfortunately the lessons of the crisis haven't been learnt and that's mainly because of the misunderstanding about the nature of money if you think money is simply as paul krugman has argued bank is acting this intermediaries between savers and borrowers then you have a view of the very limited amount of savings in a very limited about borrowing but if you understand as we do and as the bank of england does that banks can create money by entering numbers into a computer and charging it to someone else as it comes you understand that actually credit can be inflated can be exploded into vast amounts which could then have a very deep stabilising impact on the economy but because of this florida understanding of money. economists and in many cases regulators haven't come up with the right forms of regulation to manage and and and stabilize the financial system so we're back to where we were effectively before two thousand and
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seven in the euro zone we have a different monetary setup where fiscal space is more limited so what's your view on how this monetary system has affected ordinary citizens in your own land. well this monetary system in the euro zone is is a deeply unfair one because countries within euro zone maintain their fiscal authority if you like they're able to taxes citizens at a rate which they're citizens of find acceptable they collect the revenues at a national level and they manage their tax revenues their fiscal policies if you like at national level however they cannot manage their money or their currency that is managed by an unelected and unaccountable central bank called the european central bank which has no accountability if you like to the citizens of its li or spain or germany even and that suits if you like the money people the bankers
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who want to move money across europe without any friction in exchange rates. and it may suit some central bankers but it's very unhelpful to countries whose monetary system now is fixed by this other body but where they have a fixed amount of tax revenues which they determine to national and democratic level so the currency the euro zone currency is not really very expensive if you like for spanish exporters that their currency now the currency in which they're exporting is much higher than it is then a realistic and proper reflection of their economy but for the germans it's much lower than realistic and proper reflection of the of the german economy so you have a currency here that doesn't reflect what's really going on inside these economies and is hurting the southern economies and if you like over benefiting the german economy and so we're getting a build up of surplus and deficits if you like within within these economies.
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and that that again is an imbalance which is very dangerous and the way in which the southern economies are trying to correct that and ballot. this is by exporting exporting exporting more in order to catch up with germany which is if you like hurting the global economy because you know the euro zone now is becoming an export or as a seller of goods and is not becoming a buyer of goods and this means there are imbalances in other parts of the world so you appear monetary system is deeply flawed and is causing imbalances not only within the euro zone but internationally now i think i probably know the answer to this next question for me but i want to ask anyway do you believe that the euro zone crisis is over or will another extrasensory structural crisis we're turn when the next recession comes. well the point is this that you know financial crises economic crises invariably become social and political crises and the time that
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this takes there is but ultimately. the policies currently imposed if you like by the creditors of the southern countries of the euro zone causing immense pain and suffering in countries like greece italy spain and portugal and that is going to manifest itself on the twenty fifth of may in the european elections when we'll see what the public thinks about that. but it also is manifesting itself in increasing tensions between between for example germany and her partners in the rest of the euro zone so i i think first of all as nothing has been done effectively to react to regulate and manage the financial system since the crisis is that another crisis is inevitable questions only of timing and of the interval between crises but also that the remedy for the euro zone crisis is so severe for the people of the euro zone that there is my view going to be
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a political and social reaction and then that will cause if you like a deepening of recession and these intermingling that that are important in managing economic policy but what what. us all most of all about the euro zone is that this. decline in economic activity of fall in wages foreign profits fall in prices is manifesting itself is as deflation in the euro zone and the european central bank which as i say is unaccountable unelected has been very complacent about these but about deflation the thing that's all for about small.
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mortgage and increases the cost of borrowing i.e. the rate of interest and it's the complacency around those issues which is most threatening about the eurozone crisis. that was the lovely economist and author dr and credit for time now for today's big deal. big deal with the one the only mr edward harrison and today we're talking about how greece's economy is getting some greece. anyway i've i understand myself so greece that it's the first bond sale in four years and it raised three billion
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euro zone people are hailing this as a triumph now greece is back bet it that's for sure a strong demand has pushed the interest rate on the greek five year bond to four point nine five percent which is lower than expected now the greek government is optimistic about the future and the guardian reports that the deputy prime minister evangelist benny zelo said quote we haven't just been spared from bankruptcy and catastrophe there once again becoming the greece that we know so edward what are the details behind this auction and what were you except what were they expecting and when they get well the interesting part is that i think before that we're going to rush to market we're not in a hurry to do this deal and i just basically meant by that is that we we don't need to get it out the door next week because it was already some rumor that was going to come out but there was so much demand that they actually did go with the deal twenty billion dollars in bid for the they're actually going to do two billion dollars it up to three billion that's still been called. sixty so there's huge
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demand for this deal and i think you know as little as kelly was basically you know this is a deal that. you know the eurozone is going to stay intact and therefore there's not going to be default in the short to medium term there's no reason to take five your paper at those spreads spreads spreads to the german paper if we if we can hold out any sort of you know global crisis in the next five years as long as there's no european growth scenario that you know. you know as long as there's no contagion into europe or even europe alone then the bet is that you want to get into greece because they have more yield you get a yield picture great but it's really reaching for yield kind of push and always when you will high heels first person now after the financial crisis the greek economy contracted steadily so take a look at this graph want to pull this up now greece's economy increase dramatically in the years leading up to two thousand and two thousand and nine and since then they've had a smaller and smaller economy g.d.p.
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in two thousand and thirteen is about the same as it was in two thousand and six so while it remains to be seen what happens in two thousand and fourteen doesn't have a growing economy that's for sure now why has there been so much interest in all this greek debt other than the we know that but doesn't greece still have a very high debt to g.d.p. ratio definitely we're talking one hundred seventy six percent government debt to g.d.p. if it had the numbers that they had in two thousand and eight today it would only be one hundred thirty percent which is you know portugal italy kind of range but instead it's much higher the thing is is that you know you can push the software along the greeks all of the debt is with the c b and all the official sector so it's not as if there's any sort of rollover risk it's really all about i mean there's no sort of coupon payment rate you know and there's not really any rollover risk because all of the you know they're just going to restructure with the troika or or. so really for the next five years there's no problem the real problem is
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later later hours later now i got to say this one hundred thirty one hundred seventy six percent this is reminiscent to me of what we're seeing in the tax returns to. here where the company is or any of these one hundred is a trading one hundred times earnings it's like it's on somewhere to write a great bond we're seeing this across the board to different sectors now why is chris even issuing debt when they're still implementing this austerity program i mean that's a that's a serious question i think still in austerity program for growth will they want to be. sickly get out from under the foot of the troika they will put a little greased lightning by saying i like. this deal. you know it's been it's been done in ireland so they want to get part of it to get in the irish behind as well and they're getting on the track now and as always you're all some thank you insight is brilliant that's all for now you can see all segments featured today show on youtube youtube dot com slash the best our team we love hearing from you simply check out our facebook page facebook dot com slash boom bust our t. please tweet us at any of it at edward n.h.
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ukraine's refusal to pay its a gas debt is threatening a russian supplies to europe bloody amid putin urges european leaders to prevent a pending crisis also. here we have two thousand plus for russia to face all right these are images which are surrounded by barricades and they believe that this building could be stormed at any moment as the rest as the east of ukraine are ready for a crackdown on dissent we report from the city of guns were protesters are determined to stand firm despite an ultimatum from kiev. international creditors dampen talk of a greek recovery from its economic crisis by warning it may need another bailout very soon.
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broadcasting live direct from our studios in moscow this is r.t. i'm sean thomas glad to have you with us now ukraine's growing debt and failure to pay its gas bills could drastically affect energy supplies to europe the russian president has warned e.u. leaders of trouble ahead and called on them to urgently address the situation medina cauldron of the looks and what's behind the concerns. latterman putin has sent a warning to european buyers of russian gas that ukraine's debt crisis has reached a critical stage according to the current contract gazprom will now have to switch to an advance payment system handed me of aid to the red is may be forced to cut deliveries in other words it will deliver as much gas as ukraine pays for
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a month ahead how worried should you be quite a bit considering previous examples ukraine has failed to deliver in its gas transit deals a number of times the past perving to be an unreliable pawn now you are perceived almost half of its russian gas imports via ukraine and therefore is vulnerable to any disruptions in two thousand and six the pipes were turned off when ukraine did not pain and gas obligations to russia leaving half of europe in the cooled key have failed to pay again in the winter of two thousand and eight and two thousand and nine bringing in another freeze as gas supplies were hold again just as demand was at its peak seeking to ensure unhindered gas supplies russia launched alternative gas transit troops to europe north stream and the south stream both of them were conceived to bypass ukraine and make sure that gas will reach consumers
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on time but a number of foreign politicians are now accusing russia of using gas as a political tool we've got to do a better job in getting the europeans to do more for themselves when it comes to energy so they're not so dependent one way for europe to get away from its dependence on russian energy as moving towards us shield gas which washington has already offered but that throws up its own problems the u.s. has no operational facilities to liquefy natural gas for transport and it will take up to two to million. anger trips a year to satisfy europe's to manned and only about four hundred of the gas tanker need it actually exist and then there is the cost of shipping supplies for six thousand kilometers which would be just massive but before that could even happen europe will first have to spend years building vast gas pipeline networks and
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storage facilities and even that of the us will be able to cover only about half of europe's demands it is essential for the europeans to realize that if they follow the us line and this is thank you to dick notion of punishing russia that in fact there is in direct honest when coming back if you want to help ukraine by all means do so but you are the ones who are going to bear the burden despite europe's recognition of kiev's of sure it is no economic support has been given by the e.u. so far where it's russian doesn't recognize the interim government in kiev but is the only country that had previously given financial support to ukraine support that can't last forever in the question of moscow. let's now discuss this gas issue with a journalist charlie mcgrath he is the founder of wide awake news and joins us live from the united states right now thanks for being with us here on r t. now
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realistically can of the u.s. make up for this shortfall in europe's energy needs yeah in about two decades it seems like you know the regulation or the regulatory system we have here and how long it takes for these up the still of these could be built to liquefied natural gas and ship it to europe it will take decades to get this done in fact the projection is two thousand and seventeen before the single gasification plant that's under construction right now in the gulf of mexico two thousand and seventeen before can even touch one sixth of the amount of natural gas. it's been shipped from russia to europe right now so you know tongue in cheek yeah can happen but it's going to be you know we're long since we're tired of the safety of the infrastructure is not there if the u.s. can't give enough gas to europe why is it still making these types of promises i think it's trying to look at to calm it's a european partners that it's lured into these trade agreements you know it you'd
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be knighted states or spend billions of dollars disrupting the government of ukraine destabilizing it and now they're in a situation where russert russia is saying you know what if you're going to play this game we're going to we're going to go ahead and control the resources that we do control and it's going to turn around and bite you europe western europe and the united states i think they're looking for ways to calm down their european partners let's play this out a little bit what type of implications economically does this have a for the u.s. for this particular gas crisis for the u.s. supreme for the u.s. actually well for the u.s. you know if we become a you are going to become an export or of energy so i think it is you know it benefits the u.s. to have a very very energy hungry europe that is going to be a ready customer that's going to already be paying a lot higher prices than it currently is so you know the a radically it could be an economic boon for the united states because we're going
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to have a ready made customer but you know i think more importantly in the short term for europe it is devastating i mean you know you're talking at the preamble here before the program or before the interview rather about greece needing potentially another bailout europe is on financially shaky ground and i think that in the short term would affect the united united states a lot more negatively than the benefit of having an eager customer ten fifteen years down the road that's willing to pay high prices words energy so you know. and the united states started talking about leveling sanctions against russia and russia came back and said you know what these could turn around and bite you back it's proving to be just the just that much more true it's going to turn around it's going to hurt europe is going to hurt your united states in the short term and briefly russia is being accused of using this as a political tool if you will but they've also been continuously working to try and ensure that the gas that is coming from russia is diversified does this sound like
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they're trying to make this a political game. in about a political game but you know i mean nations will use their their they will do just their policy to what they have to play with right russia is a major major player when it comes to energy if this same thing was happening to the united states we absolutely would be using this as a tool as a bargaining tool or a policy tool to get. into the means that we are trying to achieve so you know are they using is it a tool sure and who wouldn't i mean that is one of their major leverage points all right charlie mcgrath journalist thank you for being with us here on r t it's always interesting to hear your thoughts. right now to eastern ukraine where anti-government protesters in several cities are braced for a crackdown as a forty eight hour ultimatum issued by the authorities in kiev it reaches an end in the city of lugansk negotiations with activists occupying
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a security service building brought no results with officials from the capital saying their demands are unacceptable earlier they warned that they would use a shoot to kill policy if the talks fail graham phillips reports from the epicenter of the standoff. in central advance could the s.b.u. building which has been occupied by ninety nine down pro russian side activists since sunday with goals and speeches demanding at the dinette a referendum to give the guns the opportunity to stay in ukraine or to join russia . but we really wanted to go into this administrative building behind me but they wouldn't let us say they would let us for one simple reason which is that they were concerned in fact for our safety as journalists what these people have said to me here we have two thousand plus pro russian activists all around these perimeters which are surrounded by barricades that they fear that this might put it back some of said that they're one hundred percent sure that there are snipers on
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the buildings around here and they believe that this building could be stormed at any moment they said they're peaceful people i've seen no sign of weapons here the atmosphere is generally calm but there's a real tension in the air with the reports that snipers have arrived in a store maybe mind to at any moment here this is great phillips here with r.t. in the ganske. a military vehicles were also spotted heading to the city of ligaments and an article of hundreds of protesters have been rallying demanding a referendum and of the release of dozens of activists detained after a violent raid on the local administration and those occupying a similar building in the city of done yet are still holding their ground as well they've already announced a sovereign it people's republic and now have decided to form a people's army. and in ukraine's southern port city of jessica seven people have been injured in clashes between supporters and opponents of the kiev appointed government police broke up a fight outside a hotel where
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a pro russian presidential candidate was staying the pro protesters tried to block the entrance to the building and scuffles erupted when his supporters tried to clear the way. extra nato forces may soon be deployed in eastern european member nations right next to russia's borders that's according to the top nato commander in europe who is planning countermeasures to what the alliance regards as a russian military threat in ukraine now general philip breedlove said the package of measures is aimed at providing assurance for our eastern most allies he didn't rule out sending extra u.s. troops to the region the nato response is due to be publicly outlined by next tuesday but already it is seriously worrying some in eastern europe. constant deployment of foreign troops on the territory of a sovereign state deprives the country of its independence the national parliament and government have no power over those forces and all of its commanders of
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foreigners in this case they are most likely to be americans some american soldiers could launch missiles at the russian city of disc golf or moscow for example and it will be done from latvia's territory and unbeknown to latvian authorities because an american commander issued the order and one more thing who occupies gibraltar is nato member great britain who occupy cyprus turkey that's also a nato state so judging from events in europe most aggression comes usually from the side of nato countries rather than other states that's just how it's been. so amid the crisis in ukraine peter lavelle asks a panel of experts whether it's a risk of becoming a failed state find out what they say and craft are better today. despite the optimistic talk of a successful economic rebound greece could actually need another bailout package
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the german chancellor is a do in athens for talks a visit events been preceded by public protests against ongoing austerity cuts much as it is in athens right now for us now matt break this down for us do the greeks have any cause for optimism. the greeks do have some cause for optimism sean but i'm telling merkel meeting with the greek prime minister amid a very tense time here in athens we have already mentioned about how there is a backdrop of protest here in the city already even a backdrop of violence yesterday morning there was a car bombing here which no group has yet claimed responsibility for but all agree is a precursor and a early warning message to the german chancellor about the dangers of austerity that are being wrought upon greece as we speak she is meeting with the parliament going to speak with them about her admiration for the greek people and the country in the face of this austerity and trying to get the nation back in black and back
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on its feet she won't be meeting with any opposition leaders including alex separatists who in private according to one german newspaper she referred to as a troublemaker and an undesirable negotiator separate the opposition leader himself has had some words for the german chancellor saying that he means that if the economic foundation is destroyed in decisions of an elected greek government are not responsible for it but rather certain political forces of europe then they will be guilty for example on the limb urkel he also said that his main rival the prime minister antinous m r s has guaranteed merkel's europe of the past week erin to europe of the future so definitely lots of different points of view being tossed around in athens now this all of course referring to the larger picture of the greek bailout package some three hundred. thirty three billion dollars that the country needs to get back in for an economic footing and there are concerns privately among the german lawmakers and some of the other folks in brussels about
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whether the country can actually get back into fiscal health in a reasonable amount of time if they feel that sustained growth at this point is far from certain though there are economic honesty green shoots of growth and maybe a small economic expansion that we could be seeing soon but nothing to give a major cause for optimism just yet they also worried that government policies and plans that are aimed at bringing more austerity and helping make the country more fiscally sound are not going to be put into place properly or properly it properly implemented those including laying off more public sector workers liberalizing sale of non-prescription drugs cutting employer contributions that finance pensions but drive up the cost of labor there so we have these meetings that are going to be set to go on today of course we'll be following them throughout the day here on r t and bring you of course any developments as they happen to these matches that we know
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they're going to be seeing across the situation as events unfold there for us in athens now a german a politician that peter goal wyler believes that greece could actually benefit from leaving the euro. greece needs the possibility just like other states in the e.u. to exit the euro greece is way too expensive it has to become cheaper in order to bring its tourism and shipbuilding industries to economic viability with the euro it will be extremely difficult. turkey's recipe for success turkey was broke twenty years ago but managed to survive by becoming cheaper for tourists by devaluing its currency things cannot go well for us if our neighbors are in trouble we have to help the greeks to get out of their dilemma for how long before germany's taxpayers lose patience germans are saying that they're giving way too much money but outside of germany the country's been criticized for not giving enough so coming up later
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in the program saying no to independent media catalonian a channel is taken off air allegedly for not paying its bills but journalists say madrid shut it down over its support for independence. and later in the program we also take a look at the rapidly aging british nuclear arsenal and how its future is fully dependent on the will of washington. the u.s. is preparing for its biggest military challenge yet in afghanistan pulling out the mission involves transporting tens of thousands of soldiers and all of their hardware from the volatile region and its artie's making lopez explains the diplomatic effort will be just as demanding. this is quite frankly in historical terms the berlin airlift in reverse nothing has been done this complex by the military since world war two it has been described as the
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biggest military challenge in recent history a logistical nightmare at the end of the year the thirty thousand troops remaining in afghanistan and almost all of the equipment used by the us to execute its thirteen year long war will finally leave the country for good thirty three billion dollars worth of equipment in all a massive coordinated effort involving logistics finances diplomacy security and geography in other words the fed ex model if you will you've got to know where it's at what it's doing why it's moving or what's going to happen to want to get somewhere and unlike iraq afghanistan is landlocked it's remote and it is surrounded on all sides by states that are effectively hostile to afghanistan and with very few exceptions hostile to the united states and its forces forcing the pentagon to consider a number of routes through neighboring countries first by land but best fastest
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easiest cheapest way to get out is to drive south from afghanistan through pakistan to the major port kharaj. the pakistan has proven to be a spy. in and out of the region however relations between d.c. and islamic are fragile. a nato airstrike that resulted in the deaths of twenty four pakistani soldiers in november two thousand and eleven caused the country to close the southern route entirely for seven months in retaliation another exit strategy by air the air routes are very safe safest in terms of attacks but also the most expensive now according to the former head of the u.s. transportation command general duncan mcnab airlifts cost ten times more per pound than transport by land and this road also has its share of risk we've already seen a seven for seven go down at bob graham which according to sources i've talked to was probably from some load shifting on takeoff which caused you know am wraps to
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come off their platform or whatever caused aircraft to become unstable and fall one of the most tried and true methods of extracting equipment the northern distribution network over three thousand miles of winding curving railroads once used to move up to seventy five percent of military supplies into afghanistan we could have used some of those realigns by moving up through central asia into these areas and then back across an old of italy into europe we can't right now because of the dispute that we have with the with russia and that mr putin is highlighting how present and future international relations factor into the military drawdown this is not a military issue this is really a diplomatic issue that sets the framework for the withdrawal through several countries north northwest and the south and they all need to come in play to make this happen because the equipment coming back is used and often outdated the
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question inevitably becomes is it worth it the u.s. does want some troops to stick around in afghanistan to help in the training and counterinsurgency efforts which would mean some equipment would stay to. but afghan president hamid karzai said he would leave that decision to his successor the next few months are critical in the legacy the u.s. leaves in afghanistan will waste and scrapyards rid of the landscape or will the military be able to complete its mission and the time and cost effective manner all eyes are now on the pentagon as it confronts the growing logistical and financial challenges on the road to retrograde in arlington virginia megamall r.t. . let's take a look at our website and see what's happening there lined up for you online right now hillary clinton and the flying through the former u.s. secretary of state beach in las vegas is rudely interrupted by a woman throwing her footwear for the full video and clinton's response we can go to our. people worldwide mark
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international pillow fight day i think strangers with their other weapons seems like a lot of fun if you ask me to find these and other pictures at our vision section. madrid is keeping up the pressure on in order to undermine efforts to form a separate state spanish authorities have targeted a local opposition television channel which has been closely working with r.t. its broadcasts have been cancelled with the provider saying the bills haven't been paid we hear by notify you that in case you fail to pay your dues by twelve pm next friday may twenty fourth will be forced to hold the provisional and start the procedure for term in the contract journalists however claim that they are fully up to date with payments they say the ban was imposed because of the channel's coverage of independence rallies in spain as well as the situation in ukraine. well
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i would never get our cooperation with our t.v. goes back to his early days but we had never been subjected to so much pressure up until two thousand and thirteen when clashes erupted in ukraine we have experienced mounting pressure day by day ever since archie offers a point of view that is very different from what we're used to seeing as the official narrative which is shared by a number of networks that is what fuels the contempt and the pressure we experience we were forced into blank screen mode for two days in march it felt like a bad joke every day we live in fear that our programming will get censored edited out because of the tacit censorship exercised by the very company that allows us to broadcast all over the region every month they threaten to shut down our network this is unthinkable as we are legally established network licensed by the government of catalonia and by the communications ministry in madrid we hold a license issued in two thousand and ten for a fifteen year term. so take
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a look at some other stories making headlines around the world this hour the united nations security council has unanimously approved the creation of a un peacekeeping force in the central african republic ten thousand troops and some two thousand police will be sent to the country to tackle the sectarian violence that has already left thousands dead by september its plan to the un peacekeepers will place french and african troops that have been deployed since last year. really police in jerusalem have arrested five people after a protest against conscription turned violent hundreds of orthodox jews who threw stones and bottles at security forces and torched rubbish bins israel has recently passed a law which will gradually increase the number of orthodox jews serving in the army . u.k. taxpayer will be stuck with a bill for almost three and a half billion dollars to modernize of the nation's nuclear arsenal. even though
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polls suggest the majority of the population think it's a waste of money renewing the u.s. bill to try to missiles will happen over a fifty year time span and is likely to leave the u.k.'s nuclear capability dependent on washington. explains the case nuclear weapons arsenal is aging its only reliable until the late twenty thirty s. which means the government elected in twenty fifteen will have to decide whether to build new warheads or try to extend the life of existing ones but a new paper out by the royal united services institute sheds light on just how dependent the u.k.'s nuclear weapons program is on its u.s. counterparts thanks to a document called the u.s. u.k. neutral defense agreement the two countries share extensive nuclear know how and even components for weapon systems the agreement is considered the cornerstone of
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the two countries special relationship and this year it's up for renewal the problem is that the future shape of the u.s. nuclear arsenal is currently on certain which means that britain can't build more weapons until the u.s. program is decided. without a clue steve from the u.s. the u.k. may have to choose between developing a replacement warhead with an uncertain supply of components or retaining an ast new of suspect reliability delaying such a choice may indeed be the best option available to the u.k. well our position of this this that britain shouldn't have clear weapons but i think what it really seriously raises is this debate around britain so-called independent nuclear deterrent it's always described as that by governments and prohibitive forces but of course it is in no sense independent britain can't make its own independent decisions about its defense or about its foreign policy that's not good if we are dependent on another state for the direction of our policy and
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indeed the implementation of our policies the mutual defense agreement between the us and the u.k. is a sticky subject for another reason independent lawyers have argued that by cooperating on the nuclear weapons programs to such an extent the two countries are in fact in breach of the international treaty on nonproliferation which agrees to stop the spread of nuclear weapons reporting from london i'm poly boyko. i'll be back with more news in around thirty minutes time but before that it's breaking the set with host abby martin there with us. hello vera mara. these people don't belong to a charity fund us social service or anything like that this is just
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dropped. me. i marinate join me. in park and financial reform commentary interview and much. only on the bus and. how's it going people i'm having martin and this is a break in the set so i get out time and time again on the show that the u.s. has five percent of the world's population yet twenty five percent of its prisoners
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but a new study that came out earlier this week highlights perhaps an even more disturbing statistic when it comes to america's prisons according to a report by the treatment advocacy center there are ten times as many mentally ill people in prison and in state hospitals that's right the approximately thirty five thousand mentally ill patients in state hospitals there are three hundred fifty six thousand mentally ill prison inmates according to the report putting people with mental disabilities and prisons not only costs taxpayers millions of dollars due to higher recent visit rates but in most cases the mental condition of prisoners worsens during their time behind bars can't save that's too surprising lead author of the study dr torrey even went as far as saying quote the lack of treatment for seriously ill inmates is inhumane and should not be allowed in a civilized society look it's unconscionable that they've got so many people's mental illness is treated with such ignorance and harsh punishment so if you use
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think we should stop applying one thousand nine hundred solutions to twenty first century problems you've come to the right place let's break the. they are very hard to take a. look. at yet or how exactly would that hurt their feelings.
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after a long wait and thousands of votes later michigan residents celebrated loudly last month as a constitutional ban against same sex marriage was lifted by the state government the celebration was short lived after an appeals court issued a stay on the ruling that ended the ban on same sex marriage only one day later as a result hundreds of same sex couples who took the plunge in those first twenty four hours are now stuck in a sort of legal limbo stuck between the federal government's recognition of the new statute and a new state court's ruling that does not the case is made even more complicated as it stems from a question over whether same sex couples can adopt each other's children or to get in to get some more insight in the latest ruling on michigan's fight for gay rights i was joined earlier by jennifer and alexa chap and smith a same sex couple who managed to marry in the state within those first twenty four hours when it was legal and i first asked him to give us an overview of where their case stands. so on its march twenty one federal judge pretty then ruled that the
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constitutional ban michigan constitutional ban on same gender marriage or in michigan was unconstitutional under the u.s. constitution. but he didn't put a stay on it which made it possible for a county clerk to issue marriage licenses to same gender couples which is why so many of us went to clerks offices so very early in the morning we got there at five thirty am to eight in line and were able to get a license however the attorney general from michigan managed to get help court to put in place a freed basically on that later in the day i believe it was at five o'clock on saturday the twenty second and so at this point we're pretty much in legal limbo as the governor has said that he says the licenses are legal but he won't recognize any legal benefits from them jenufa that this is actually the fourth time for the wedding and you know your partner of how to mean talk about all the obstacles you've gone through just to have your marriage recognized right the first two were
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religious ceremonies which were of course important to us and our families and our religious community and then the third one we did in maryland just a few days after it became possible to get those like those in maryland the twenty thirteen but it wasn't recognized by the michigan government only by the federal government and even then not till june twenty third change. so the reason we went and got a michigan one was we were really hoping to have a big night by our home. for various reasons. mostly because we would like some legal rights in the state in which we live instead of just in states where we are when we're on the course. and i want to turn to you as well as the ruling is unique in michigan because it involves the question over same sex couples adopting each other's children as well why is adoption an issue here when the question is over marriage well actually that question should probably be revert to this case started as an adoption case so the request is why is marriage an issue
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in that case originally april or and jane rao brought the suit against the state because they were barred from adopting their three children jointly. due to michigan being an honor that they all they can parent adoption or joint adoption by two on married people or people who aren't married to each other you can only jointly if you are married to each other in michigan and so when they when they challenge that line court judge friedman told them was that he didn't really want to get into the second parent adoption issue and he would prefer it if they went back over to brief on the marriage question instead because he thought. they couldn't and if they could get married then the problem would be solved and so this case has been going to the very beginning protections for our family our children. a problem jane children to have
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a legal relationship to both their parents and to their siblings. and if we ever have children to be able to have legal relationships. that are secure with both of us that's a huge advantage for a child and. that's what this case is really about is about giving our families the same legal protection that other families have we've also been seeing reports of crimes against people recognized as being in same sex relationships can you talk about the attacks that have taken place and also the long michigan that does not classify a crimes based on sexual orientation as hate crimes. there was a woman even if lenny would right next to ours who was walking home about a week ago from the bus back to her house when three men approached her and said hey aren't you one of those people from the news they recognized her from the t.v. news when she her why were able to get a marriage license and they beat her up. now we don't have any information which is
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right from the sheriff about who she is but the sheriff has put out a hopeful for anyone that may sion to come forward about this attack but that's not just an attack on this one woman it's an attack on her family and protecting all of us because it's designed to make us as a community be afraid to even leave our own homes just because we're gay and just because we wanted a marriage like the same kind of marriage like my parents have my sister has our aunts and uncles have. exactly alexy well and i got on the story continues you asked also about the law in michigan we don't have a lot of legal protections for gammas been people for instance and lesbian people are still not included in the michigan's very inclusive otherwise summarized law so our employment public accommodations and housing they call that the elliot larson act and you can't be denied housing for instance on the basis of
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your religion or your height or your arrest record or any of those things your weight. your disability but you can be denied housing on the basis of your sexual orientation because it is not one of the protected categories and that goes the same for the hate crime statute in michigan as well even if a crime is clearly motivated by hate and violence. you can prosecute people on the basis of hate crimes on the basis of religion or race but you can't do it. on that basis or in case because that has not yet been added to that law thank you for keeping up the fight it has to take people pressure to get this movement on a roll thank you so much jennifer alexy chap and smith really appreciate guys coming on. thank you thank you.
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the last couple days the federal bureau of land management or b.l.m. has been surrounding one hundred fifty acre ranch in clark county nevada with heavily fortified vehicles helicopters and officers armed to the teeth and no not because the government's trying to capture a mass murderer busted child sex trafficking ring and fed the agency is trying to seize cattle yes cows the ranch belongs to sixty seven year old clive in bondi and according to the washington free beacon bunmi is the last rancher in the county and a descendant of ranchers who settled in the vast desert space over one hundred forty years ago but in one thousand nine hundred eight the b.l.m. selected the greater area that this ranch falls in is critical for the desert tortoise population excuse me to thrive thus causing bunny to lose his longstanding grazing permit for the land for the last two decades clive has refused to pay the federal government the newly required fees to raise his cattle and has since lost
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two rulings in court that banned him from interfering with potential future cattle roundups and in two thousand and thirteen the b.l.m. obtained a federal court order to start removing bundy's one thousand cows which they have whole areas slee deemed trespass cattle according to b.l.m. spokesperson kirsten cannon mr bundy has been interest passed on public lands for more than twenty years she added that bundy owes the government some one million dollars in unpaid grazing fees although according to bundy the amounts closer to three hundred grand so it makes sense then that the same agency that's owed over a million dollars could potentially spend three times that amount on contractors to round up all the cattle bundy's ranch but logic seems to be b.l.m. is last concern is the agency has proceeded to storm the ranch and strike teams to take the cattle and surround more than one hundred protesters that have gathered to defend bundy's livelihood. situation is getting more tense by the minute here's one local man explaining what went down yesterday. this is the road. this is the
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road i grew up on you know like go one step and i just saw federal agents through my aunt on the ground i saw my cousin to taste three times i saw dogs and sick it on a pregnant woman right now. because we had a couple questions yes apparently armed to be element agents have started to attack the protesters by throwing women of the ground and tasing a number of people they also arrested bundy's son who was held overnight in jail hundreds of cattle of already been seized and federal officers are now resorting to killeen and burying the adult cows and leaving the motherless calves to die according to ben swan dot com and in addition to this insane show of force the area is also being surrounded by snipers making bundy's scared the situation could escalate quickly into another ruby ridge or waco texas luckily nevada's governor brian sandoval has voiced support for bundy and publicly condemned the actions of
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the b.l.m. saying quote no cowed justifies the atmosphere of intimidation which currently exists nor the limitation on constitutional rights that are sacred to all of that ins in deede bundy also has stated that this is a state issue in that the federal government has no jurisdiction over his land or ranching rights he is calling for the local sheriff to help disarm the federal agents and to deescalate the situation so once again this story exemplifies how far the police states are willing to go in order to force the unwilling to comply because while bundy may have broken the law far more important law was broken when the b.l.m. decided to violate human dignity and ignore the rights of civilians. coming up you guys will talk about five new business models are decentralize in the world to stay tuned. please write on the scene. first st
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louis and i think pictures. on our reporters twitter. and instagram. the little. little me in the little one on last song. told me my language a whole but i will only react to situations i have read the reports so i'm likely to push the no i will leave them to the state department to comment on your latter point of the month to say digital is secure yet a car is on a dog. no god i. hope they do no more weasel words when you made a direct question and be prepared for a change when you have a bunch be ready for a battle freedom of speech and
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a little bit on the freedom to crush. the new super secret laboratory to mccurry was able to build the old most sophisticated robot which all unfortunately doesn't give a darn about anything turns mission to teach the creation why it should care about humans and world this is why you should care only. thirty three syriac. sally. arts.
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objects was first patented in one thousand nine hundred six but it's florestan to a multi-billion dollar business that is growing more advanced and widespread by the day and as i've covered on the show before the ability to print everything from static limbs to three course meals is revolutionizing the concept of centralized manufacturing and gradually democratizing production by reducing entry barriers for the average entrepreneur while three d. printing is no doubt the most exciting decentralizing technology there are several other game changing business models that are replacing a hierarchical corporate structures with products centered on the individual and local community to the food industry for example in the us wal-mart sells twenty five percent of all groceries and as such local in urban farming has never been more important and while community gardens have been around for decades several businesses are now taking advantage of social media and online mapping services to
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connect city land owners with urban farmers the organization b.k. farmyards for example has hooked up with high schools non-profits and homeowners with large backyards and brooklyn to turn their spaces and community gardens that are being transformed into farms for chickens honeybees and youth education and speaking of education on line peer to peer teaching websites are rapidly filling the void for those who can afford insane college fees and who are not talking about the multitude of scam internet only universities if you want to learn a new language for example you can now turn to the free online service lingo where individuals learn languages by helping translate documents and web pages for others in the global community the app is so successful that one study found it only took thirty four hours using the service to equal their reading and writing ability of a student finish in the first year of u.s. college language course another website code academy use the peer to peer philosophy to offer free online lessons on computer programming for over five
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million users which brings me to crowdfunding of course most people are familiar with the crowdfunding website kickstarter which finances the projects of budding entrepreneurs through individual. level check this out was sites like citizens investor bypasses the red tape and bureaucracy of local governments and allows citizens to directly fund community projects such as playgrounds libraries and parks amazing and finally there's a mass movement to circumvent one of the most centralized institutions of all big banks other than phenomenons like that coin of course sites like the lending club are taking the bank entirely out of the loan process and instead relying on individual borrowers and investors to facilitate it and in fact according to website lend a cademy nearly two and a half billion dollars were loaned out the peer to peer lending in two thousand and thirteen one hundred seventy seven percent increase from the previous year so in
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a world that's becoming more globalized and centralized every day it's incredibly encouraging to know that innovators are always one step ahead and imagining ways to keep the power in the hands of the people where it belongs. to my next guest is a poetic rapper who was torn with some of those thought provoking artists and hip hop today including a moral technique his name is brother all lead if you haven't heard his music before here's a good place to start. so. let's start. with. the. last thing.
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you want to. make sure you want to. that was a clip from the song morning in america nearly all of all these music carries a similar political charge joining me now live is the man behind the music hip hop artist brother all the thank you so much for coming on thank you for having me appreciate it so we just heard a little bit of the song morning in america which is spelled you are and what do you morning in the song and with the album. morning lovelessness morning disconnect that people have collectively and individually with our own humanity the fact that we have been taught and trained over the centuries that we've had this american project and experiment with democracy and all forms of domination the way that we've been encouraged and trained to disconnect with our humanity and lower the
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stock on humanity and instead honor and respect you know things like membership in a racial group or having a certain amount of money or having a certain status and so you know our value in humanity is very very low and we're disconnected from ourselves and from each other i couldn't agree more i want to read our audience some of my favorite lyrics from an especially great song of yours called uncle sam god damn it says king of where the wild things are daddy's proud of the roman empire done passed it down imported and tortured a work force and never heal the wounds or shut the curse off now the grown up goliath nation holding up auditions for the part of david all the what traits of the roman empire do you see the us adopting and is there even a room for a david to win in this nation. well in terms of what i see of you know all forms of domination and you know the normalizing of certain cultural norms and. you know normalizing greed making virtue out of vices
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like greed and like nationalism and like you know exceptionalism and being exclusivity you know. in terms of david i think that david still always has a chance but it's really a matter of faith. some would put would choose to use the term hope and i think that they're connected i think that any time that we're in a situation i personally am a person of you know spiritual religious faith but all of us who get up into the fight the good fight every day do so with the idea that if we are willing to sacrifice that there is some force of justice out there universal justice that does care about us and that does have power whether we see that as being the divine the creator or just the collective power of human beings working in tandem whose hearts are aligned with one another you know i think that it does require something more than just the material reality but i think david always has a chance to win and when good things have been done it's never been the majority of
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people that have done it it's always been a small but really dedicated and really you know disciplined loving group of people that have changed the world the song cause a lot of backlash we were you surprised with how it was received i was because i was also an independent artist i came up without a big record label i'm on a label called rhymesayers entertainment which is one of the first you know in the rap labels to carve out our own main. you know thanks to people like atmosphere groups like atmosphere and so that was simultaneously my breakout moment where i've been doing all this underground work and suddenly i'm invited to be on conan o'brien and i'm on billboard and i'm in rolling stone and all these all these different accolades but at the same time the song that brought me out was. and so it was interesting dichotomy of people opening the door but also closing it so i was contacted first by the department of homeland security and had to give them all my information they actually held some money from me that i needed to pay the
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people that were traveling and working with me so i gave them all the this information and basically gave them verbal confirmation that they'd been tracking me and so it's difficult for me to travel to the middle east after apply for visas well in advance. you know i've been approached by individuals who are pretty sure are agents of some sort of some kind or just fact gathering kind of people checking in with me from time to time and also that year i was scheduled to do a big tour that was sponsored by verizon wireless and they actually removed me from that tour right around the time that don't call them got the video hit a million views and it was one of the first independent rap videos on you tube to do that. so it was an interesting thing of doors opening as they were opening other doors were closing but you know this is been the history of political music. of course send a message that so many are dying to hear because they don't get in the mainstream and of course being shut out by the corporatization of the industry alina talk
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about your faith i mean most of ten year olds are concerned with stealing their parents' liquor and taking joyrides you on the other hand converted to islam when you were fifteen what was going on at that time in your life that drove you to embrace religion. was a it was a number of different things all converging at the same time in terms of the way that i understand spirituality and really all of our spirituality is one and this is what i learned from islam is that everybody with a deep desire to align themselves with the loving just you know divine all of us essentially are in a state of islam are submitting our will returning to our original nature to be loving and so be connected to be merciful and to stand up for what's right so the way that i understood my spiritual. aligned with islam really well but then also i was in the inner city in a violent you know inner city situation and the people in the black community have always had a great deal of respect for islam as many as thirty percent of the africans who
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were enslaved and brought to this country were muslim coming from north and west africa there was great traditions of mali and selling high and some too and you know ghana and so the islam has always had a deep resonance in the african-american community which are the people who raised me and taught me how to live and interpreted the world for me and so you know in hip hop i've always had that that kind of blended reality for me and always have encouraged me to to be my best and my most connected to the community and you know to this is love and mercy and in two thousand and eight you made the pilgrimage to mecca took a lot of time off and came back with an amazing album how did that experience help influence your work. is interesting because you know nobody is a monolith no group or no movement or nobody of people is a monolith and within islam there's a debate that's kind of raging you know some people have really held to the
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traditions of islam others have gone back on their own to want to study the sources for themselves and kind of reinterpret islam for themselves and there's a debate in the muslim world about music and how it should be used and you know the ways the effects that it can have the influence it could have and i think that everybody really realizes that it's a very very powerful thing that can be a powerful force for good but it can also you know be a powerful force for disconnection and for lovelessness and so i went to mecca and part of what i was was looking for was to settle this in my own heart and so my prayer was that if if i'm doing harm with this music to myself or to others or to my community then let me know that this is my prayer for the divine you know. along with many other things but if this is truly what i'm here to do which i believe to be the case and if this is what my calling is and this is what my purpose is then make me completely fearless remove any fear of consequences and the
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only fear that i want to have is the fear of doing damage or doing harm or you know making something less beautiful put no fareham are for making things more beautiful with music and so when i came back. completely dedicated myself to that and in my reality that is much you had that is my is for me to be fearless about creating beauty i wanted to jump in love what you just said but we have about thirty seconds left you said that morning america was put out as a call to action why is right now the time for people to become agents of change well i think that those of us who have had privilege for a long time whether it's race class or economic you know those of us that have had this privilege for so long are starting to realize that the game is rigged in the world isn't fair our privilege is losing us we're being introduced to the world as it is for those without these privileges and so now it's time for us to join in that movement not to try to lead our own but to join the world to join the global
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community to get us all free and it absolutely is brother ali amazing to have you on thank you so much thank you so much. that's our show you guys join me again tomorrow and i break that all over again. what events led to you indianapolis care home to three. migrated me declared incapable of taking care of myself and sent me here is simply can't insist on his own rights without someone else's support and. suddenly he started to be afraid of everything for you he was afraid of people he was afraid of dogs. the doctor suggested that he might have autism they told me he had
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virtually no future. of course it's still very hard to understand him. more. i love you to. speak your language or not advance. your music programs and documentaries and spanish matters to you breaking news a little eternity of angles keep these stories. for you here. to try to alter the spanish find out more visit.
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ukraine's that refusal to pay its a gas debt is a threatening russian supplies to europe urges european leaders to prevent a pending crisis also. here we have two thousand plus activists all right these horrific is what you're surrounded by barricades and they believe that this building could be stalled at any moment as the east of ukraine ready for a crackdown on dissent and we report from the city of guns are protesters are determined to stand firm despite an ultimatum from kiev. international creditors it dampened talk of a greek recovery from its economic crisis warning it may need another bailout very soon.
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and broadcasting live direct from our studios in moscow this is r.t.m. sean thomas god have you with us now ukraine's that growing debt had a failure to pay its gas bills could drastically affect energy supplies to europe the russian president has warned the leaders of the trouble ahead and called on them to urgently address the situation in a question of a look at what's behind these concerns. latterman putin has sent a warning to european buyers of russian gas that ukraine's debt crisis has reached a critical stage according to the current contract to gazprom will now have to switch to an advanced payment system handed me event to the raiders may be forced to cut deliveries in other words it will deliver as much gas as ukraine pays for a month ahead how worried should you be quite
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a bit considering previous examples ukraine has failed to deliver in its gas transit deals a number of times the past perving to be an unreliable pawn now you are perceived almost half of its russian gas imports via ukraine and therefore is vulnerable to any disruptions in two thousand and six the pipes were turned off when ukraine did not pain and gas obligations to russia leaving half of europe in the cooled key have failed to pay again in the winter of two thousand and eight and two thousand and nine bringing in other freeze as gas supplies were hold again just as demand was at its peak seeking to ensure unhindered gas supplies russia launched alternative gas transit troops to europe north stream and the south stream both of them were conceived to bypass ukraine and make sure that gas will reach european
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consumers on time but a number of foreign politicians right now kucing russia of using gas as a political tool we've got to do a better job in getting the europeans to do more for themselves when it comes to energy so they're not so dependent one way for europe to get away from its dependence on russian energy as moving towards us shield gas which washington has already offered but that throws up its own problems the us has no operational facilities to liquefy natural gas for transport and it will take up to two to million. anger trips a year to satisfy europe's to manned and only about four hundred of the gas tankers need it actually exist and then there is the cost of shipping supplies for six thousand kilometers which would be just massive but before that could even happen europe will first have to spend years building vast gas pipeline networks and storage facilities and even that the u.s.
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will be able to cover only about half of europe's demands it is essential for the europeans to realize that if they follow the u.s. line and this is frankly ridiculous notion of punishing russia that in fact there is indirect punishment coming back if you want to help ukraine by all means but you are the ones who are going to bear the burden despite europe's recognition of kiev's authority is no economic support has been given by the e.u. so far where is russia doesn't recognize the interim government in kiev but is the only country that had previously given financial support to ukraine support that can't last forever. moscow. american journalist charlie mcgrath told r t y it will be very hard for the us to make up any energy shortfall in europe. it will take decades to get this done in fact the projection is two
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thousand and seventeen before the single. gasification plant that's under construction right now in the gulf of mexico two thousand and seventeen before can even touch one sixth of the amount of natural gas is being shipped from russia to europe right now is d. united states is spent billions of dollars disrupting the government of ukraine destabilizing it and now they're in a situation where russert russia is saying you know what if you're going to play this game we're going to we're going to go ahead and control the resources that we do control and it's going to turn around and bite you europe western europe and the united states i think they're looking for ways to calm down their european partners to eastern ukraine now where anti-government protesters in several cities are braced for a crackdown as a forty eight hour ultimatum issued by the authorities in kiev reaches an end in the city of lugansk negotiations with activists occupying a security services building brought no results with officials from the capital
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saying their demands are unacceptable earlier they warned they would use a shoot to kill policy if talks fail graham phillips reports now from the epicenter of the standoff. in central ganske of the s.b.u. building which has been occupied by nancy my damn production side activist since sunday with coals and speeches demanding as it demands a referendum to give the guns the opportunity to stay in ukraine or to join russia . we really wanted to go into this administrative building behind me but they wouldn't let us say they would let us for one simple reason which is that they were concerned in fact for our safety as journalists what these people have said to me here we have two thousand plus pro russian activists all around these are images which are surrounded by barricades that they fear that this might put it back some of said that they're one hundred percent sure that there are snipers on the buildings around here and they believe that this building could be stormed at any moment they said this is a peaceful people i've seen no sign of weapons here the atmosphere is generally
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calm but there's a real tension in the air with further reports that snipers have a right in a storm maybe mind to at any moment here in the danske this is great phillips here we're going to see in the ganske military vehicles were also spotted heading to the city of lugansk and in harkov hundreds of protesters have been rallying demanding a referendum and the release of dozens of activists there detained after a violent raid on the local it ministration and those occupying a similar building in the city of it done yet sq are still holding their ground they've already announced a sovereign people's republic and now have decided to form a people's army as well and in ukraine's southern port city of people have been injured in clashes between supporters and opponents of the appointed government police broke up a fight outside a hotel where a production presidential candidate was staying approach here protesters tried to
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block the entrance to the building and scuffles erupted when his supporters tried to clear the way. nato forces may soon be deployed in eastern. european member nations right next to russia's borders that's according to the top nato commander in europe who is planning countermeasures what the alliance regards as a russian military threat in ukraine. general philip breedlove he said the package of measures is aimed at providing assurance for our eastern most allies he didn't rule out sending extra u.s. troops to the region the nato response is due to be publicly outlined by next tuesday but already it's seriously worrying some in eastern europe. and the constant deployment of foreign troops on the territory of a sovereign state deprives the country of its independence the national parliament and government have no power over those forces and all of its commanders are foreigners in this case they are most likely to be americans some american soldiers
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could launch missiles at the russian city of disc golf or moscow for example and it will be done from these territory and i'm but no it's a lot of you know authorities because an american commander issued the order and one more thing. bruton is nato member great britain who will keep boys saw imprest turkey that's also a nato state so judging from events in europe most aggression comes usually from the side of nato countries rather than other states that's just how it's been. so the crisis in ukraine our very own peter lavelle asks a panel of experts whether it's at risk of becoming a failed state here's a quick preview of what's coming up later today crosstalk. collapsing you point with ultimatums being issued separatism in the air and complete economic breakdown imminent this country is on the verge of becoming a failed state now there are no simple solutions for ukraine it would seem poor
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change was the easy part. to other news now despite optimistic talk of a successful economic rebound finance minister believes that greece could actually need another bailout package the german chancellor is due in athens had to offer some reassurance that it's on the right track to recovery but mass protests over austerity suggest that is a minority view. is in the greek capital for us on the merkel meeting with the greek prime minister amid a very tense time here in athens and she is meeting with the parliament going to speak with them about her admiration for the greek people and their country in the face of this austerity and trying to get the nation back in black and back on its feet she won't be meeting with any opposition leaders including alex separatists who in private according to one german newspaper sure refer to as
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a troublemaker and an undesirable negotiator separates the opposition leader himself has had some words for the german chancellor saying that he means that if the economic foundation is destroyed in decisions of an elected greek government are not responsible for it but rather certain political forces of europe then they will be guilty for example on the merkel he also said that his main rival the prime minister antinous of maurice has guaranteed merkel's europe of the. ga position which makes up about a third of the country's parliament is of course vehemently opposed to any further bailing out of the country and of course that may very well be the reason why uncle merkel has decided not to sit down and talk with them out of this all of course referring to the larger picture of the greek bailout package some three hundred thirty three billion dollars that the country needs to get back in for an economic footing and there are concerns privately among the german lawmakers and some of the
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other folks in brussels about whether the country can actually get back into fiscal health in a reasonable amount of time and they feel that sustained growth at this point is far from certain though there are economic ana mysie green shoots of growth and maybe a small economic expansion that we could be seeing soon but nothing to give a major cause for optimism just yet they also worried that government policies and plans that are aimed at bringing more austerity and helping make the country more fiscally sound are not going to be put into place properly or properly it properly implemented these include eleven thousand public sector job cuts unemployment that has reached twenty seven point five in two thousand and thirteen that's up from nine point three percent in two thousand and nine g.d.p. in the country that's down by a third down to two hundred forty one billion last year compared to three hundred forty two billion back in two thousand and nine and of course talk of whether or
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not the country will need another bailout all of that up on the table for discussion today went on to merkel meets with antenna some are is here in a. tease men trying to force their now german politician beatrix von storage believes greece could actually benefit from leaving the euro. i'm i i've been fighting against the first greece rescue package in may two thousand and ten already because i said that will not work out on the money we're sending in will not change the greece system it will not solve the problems there's no chance to call for greece to meet their problems the way they should meet it within the year and say yes no my say don't leave the euro they want to off the problems it's not a danger for being full for greece being put on the of the euro i think that's going to be the only chance for greece to meet the problems they're facing if they would leave the euro they could devaluate their currency and soon then they could
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they could raise their competitiveness and i think that's what they should do and they must do and so it's not a danger for them to leave the euro but the only solution they're watching are two international still to come in the program saying no to independent media a spanish t.v. channel taken off air allegedly for not paying its bills but journalists say madrid shut it down because it worked with r.t. . and later in the program we'll look at the rapidly aging british nuclear arsenal and how its future is fully dependent on the will of washington. there's a media leave us so we leave that maybe. by the sea pushes she surely play your party there's a goal. for shoes that no one is asking with the guests that you deserve answers
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us. and welcome back you're watching our t.v. international now the u.s. is preparing for its biggest military challenge yet in afghanistan that's pulling out the mission involves transporting tens of thousands of soldiers and all of their hardware from the volatile region and as artie's make it lopez explains the diplomatic effort will be just as demanding. this is quite frankly in historical terms the berlin airlift in reverse nothing has been done this complex by the military since world war two it has been described as the biggest military challenge in recent history a logistical nightmare at the end of the year the thirty thousand troops remaining in afghanistan and almost all of the equipment used by the us to execute its
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thirteen year long war will finally leave the country for good thirty three billion dollars worth of equipment and all a massive coordinated effort involving logistics finances diplomacy security and geography in other words the fed ex model if you will you've got to know where it's at what it's doing why it's moving or what's going to happen to want to get somewhere and unlike iraq afghanistan is landlocked it's remote and it is surrounded on all sides by states that are effectively hostile to afghanistan and with very few exceptions hostile to the united states and its forces forcing the pentagon to consider a number of routes through neighboring countries first by land but best fastest easiest cheapest way to get out is to drive south from afghanistan through pakistan to the major port garage. and has proven to be a. in and out of the region however relations between d.c.
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and islamic are fragile. a nato airstrike that resulted in the deaths of twenty four pakistani soldiers in november two thousand and eleven caused the country to close the southern route entirely for seven months in retaliation another exit strategy by air the air routes are very safe safest in terms of attacks but also the most expensive now according to the former head of the u.s. transportation command general duncan mcnab airlifts cost ten times more per pound than transport by land and this road also has its share of risk we've already seen a seven for seven go down at bob graham which according to sources i've talked to was probably from some load shifting on takeoff which caused you know m. wraps to come off their platform or whatever caused aircraft to become unstable and fall one of the most tried and true methods of extracting equipment the northern distribution network over three thousand miles of winding curving railroads once
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used to move up to seventy five percent of military supplies into afghanistan we could have used some of those realized by moving up through central asia into these areas and then back across that ultimately into europe we can't right now because of the dispute that we have with the with russia and mr putin highlighting how present and future international relations factor into the military drawdown this is not a military issue this is really a diplomatic issue that sets the framework for the withdrawal through several countries north northwest and the south and they all need to come in play to make this happen because the equipment coming back is used and often outdated the question inevitably becomes is it worth it the u.s. does want some troops to stick around in afghanistan to help in the training and counterinsurgency efforts which would mean some equipment would states. but afghan president hamid karzai said he would leave that decision to his successor the next
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few months are critical in the legacy of the u.s. leaves in afghanistan will waste and scrapyards riddle the landscape or will the military be able to complete its mission and the time and cost effective manner all eyes are now on the pentagon as it confronts the growing logistical and financial challenges on the road to retrograde in arlington virginia megamall has r.c. . online for you now hillary clinton and the flying the shoe the former u.s. secretary of state's speech in las vegas interrupted by a woman throwing her footwear for the full video you can go to our website party dot com. last people wide marquee international pillow fighting day by attacking strangers with their feathered weapons you can find these pictures on our invision faction. take a look at some other news making headlines around the world for you this hour the
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united nations security council has unanimously approved the creation of a u.n. peacekeeping force in the central african republic ten thousand troops and two thousand police will be sent into the country to tackle the sectarian violence that has already left thousands dead. israeli police and have arrested five people after a protest against conscription turned violent hundreds of orthodox jews threw stones and bottles at security forces and torched rubbish bins as well. i mean taxpayer will be stuck with a bill for almost three and a half billion dollars to modernize the nation's nuclear arsenal even though polls suggest the majority of the population think it's a waste of money we're doing in the us bill trying to missiles will happen over a fifty year time span and it's likely to leave the u.k.'s nuclear capability dependent on washington and. reports. the case nuclear weapons arsenal is
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aging it's only reliable until the late twenty thirty s which means the government elected in twenty fifteen will have to decide whether to build new warheads or try to extend the life of existing ones but a new paper out by the royal united services institute sheds light on just how dependent the u.k.'s nuclear weapons program is on its u.s. counterparts thanks to a document called the u.s. u.k. neutral defense agreement the two countries share extensive nuclear know how and even components for weapon systems the agreement is considered the cornerstone of the two countries special relationship and this year it's up for renewal the problem is that the future shape of the u.s. nuclear arsenal is currently on certain which means that britain can't build more weapons until the u.s. program is decided. without a clue steve from the u.s. the u.k. may have to choose between developing
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a replacement warhead with an uncertain supply of components or retaining an ast new of suspect reliability delaying such a choice may indeed be the best option available to the u.k. well our position obviously is that britain shouldn't have to carry weapons but i think what's really seriously races is this debate around britain so-called independent nuclear deterrent it's always described as that by the government's approach nuclear forces but of course it is even no sense independent britain can't make it so independent decisions about its defense or about its foreign policy that's not good if we are dependent on another state for the direction of our policy and indeed the implementation of the policies the mutual defense agreement between the us and the u.k. is a sticky subject for another reason independent lawyers have argued that by cooperating on the nuclear weapons programs to such an extent the two countries are in fact in
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breach of the international treaty on nonproliferation which agrees to stop the spread of nuclear weapons reporting from london i'm poly boy. that does it for me my colleague mary sue she'll be here in just over thirty minutes but coming up it's politicking with host larry king's big win. for those who believe in heaven is a place of perfection where all the evils of our world like war famine and racism vanish if there is an afterlife we all hope that in that we will all finally be equals but that is our spirits so they are corpses will still be very much so segregated especially at the new set. terry in germany you probably think oh some neo nazi group wants to have their own cemetery away from those meddling turkish
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immigrants but no it isn't all lisbon graveyard according to time magazine yes a four hundred square meter chunk of lutheran burial plots has been set aside for homosexual women by a group of elderly lesbians called the sophia association let's take a big deep breath and think about this why in our modern age do we need to divide corpses by their former sexual preference if a futile for a straight person and a homo sexual person happen on the same day at the same graveyard will the universe explode or something also are l.g.b. to groups fighting for acceptance and equality soul why are you advocating post-mortem segregation yet the saffir association i guess has the right to do this but is an idea that is an amazing combination of stupid pointless and hypocritical the same time let's leave dumb segregation for the mortal world please but that's just my opinion.
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right the seen. first strike. and i think you're. an army corps player. in. the in the. months of missteps president obama says that his signature health care program has now reached its target roman numbers so what's next for the obama care debate and. congressman paul ryan recently rolled out his path to prosperity budget plan to
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save america but the president wasted no time in slamming it as a stink burger in washington d.c. ever come together to address some of our nation's great challenges we'll hear from a budget committee member and our all star panel on those topics and more on this edition of politicking. i've. been to politicking on larry king let's get right to it on april first of all good budget there a number of democrats including represented. thirteenth district this ryan is also a member of the house budget committee and he joins me now from capitol hill and i what was wrong with the other ryan's plan to. well no vision really larry i
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mean there was no big vision for the country no investments that we need to make here had very very deep cuts just to be able to say in ten years that we balance the budget but ignoring the fact that we are not making key investments that are actually going to help us grow the economy in research and development and education i'll give you one example there's about ninety billion dollars cut out of the pell grant program in addition to that there's forty billion dollars cut out of the loan program for call of kids to go to college or parents to take out loans to help send their kids to college and the reforms include that the students by taking out the loans will now have to pay back the interest on the loans while they're still in school which is just another hurdle for average families in youngstown ohio or akron ohio to have to overcome in order to get a college education and addition to that they say that if you go half if you only
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go part time to school you won't even qualify for the pell grants so the single mom who's unmarried and trying to make ends meet improve her lot lot in life and her children she won't even be able to qualify for the program because she only goes part time congress and what is their defense of that when you bring that up it seems so logical. well i think they are governing by a really strict ideology i think they're trying to appeal to the tea party conservatives in which they believe that there isn't anything that the government can do that is good there are no investments the government can make that are good and these cuts are necessary and they'll help us balance the budget but america was built on this balance larry of yes you got to balance your budgets of course you do you can't have too much debt and too high deficits but at the same time you better make these critical investments to keep your economy ahead of the curve in research so national institutes of health national science foundation department of energy
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so we can build a clean economy those things are really critical to growing the economy and growing the tax base you said the republicans should the wealthiest republicans the wealthiest americans should be paying a little more in taxes they rebuff that every time right oh yeah it's a slow fastball that they take a swing at every time but the reality really is this is you know this isn't a class warfare this is just an acknowledgment of the fact that the top one percent since one thousand nine hundred seventy nine has made has seen a two hundred seventy seven percent increase in their income while a middle class person it's been in the thirty percent range so we're asking we have these huge challenges to try to balance our budget and we need to ask to those who much has been given much is required and we need to ask for a little bit of help from those who are making millions and millions of dollars a year not because we dislike them but because we need all americans to help
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contribute to solve this problem one of the key essences of this whole debate will be obamacare and the ryan plan deals his budget calls with repealing it do you think obamacare will be repealed. no it's not going to be repealed it's not going to be repealed this year and they've already tried fifty some times and they can try another fifty and it's not going to happen but here's what's very interesting about this budget they repeal obamacare in paul ryan's budget but they keep the revenue that was generated from the affordable care act from the obama bamma care so they keep the revenue and get rid of all the programs so that equals almost about a trillion dollars. a hole in their budget just by shifting around you and keep the taxes that were raised to help fund it and even the heritage foundation is giving them a hard time because it's just a shell game larry and once people see what's really happening here the lack of
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investments but then the shell game just to try to make the math work is is for hardy and they want to change it once and change medicare and food stamps right you think that's going to have them well yeah i mean it's happening here in the house but it's not going to get through the senate and the president clearly isn't going to sign anything like that and that's really why it's not a serious proposal and i don't think there's anything in here that's exciting because no one even says oh here's a little bit of something that we can compromise on or here's an area maybe they took the most extreme positions just because they're really concerned i think about appealing to their tea party base right now and so you're going to you know we're already saw some cuts to the food stamp program and this budget would make it even worse well as long as we have this clash and it's a obviously a definite clash what's the point if the ryan plan is going to go anywhere and you're going to propose something that's not going to go anywhere and is going to
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be a division in the democrats' rights might lose control the senate obama has the veto plan where does this all leave us. well it's like it's been the last few years unfortunately you know stuck in the political game as opposed to what's best for our economy and really what's best for the long term budgeting that we need to do we're stuck in this hole because we really have honestly larry we have one extreme faction in the house of representatives that are really controlling everything and leading everyone else around by their nose down here so the hope is that the republicans in the house will concede on some of these issues negotiate with the democrats in the senate and some of the other republicans in the senate and let's get a decent budget now i'm not very optimistic about that but they've got to realize the political reality president obama's going to be in another two and a half years so you're not going to get your way you know when you go out to dinner
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with your family you know one night someone fix the restaurant the next night someone else the next night someone else and the reality is that's how congress needs to work to you know you're not going to get your way every time. your by the way i know that you've tried very hard to bring things together you wrote the book mindful nation how a simple practice can help us reduce stress improve performance and recapture the american spirit you think. press secretary george w. bush he's also the founder of dickens' capital group and the democratic activist
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page you are what did you make of this ryan ryan debate. well listen ryan is trying to cut spending and i'm a guy who believes that the only way to save america is to cut spending and i love when democrats say when a democrat like ryan says spending is an investment you know what spending is spending larry and where that is too much depends on what you want to cut you want to cut food stamps you want to cut medicare you want what you want to i want to cut everything i think what america needs across the board cuts in spending everything that we might be more careful more precise in defense spending we don't leave american make its aggression but i think we need to cut everything and that's how you beat the charge of republicans being hypocrites we want to cut everything will then you can say we want to protect our sacred cows but unfortunately hard to get a republican to agree to brant you and then read ok well i feel that we the first cut spending correct we don't want to cut that because we don't want to be making but i've been today we still have to invest in our country we need to put money
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back into our infrastructure we need to put money back into programs and we need to get america working again so that's the main thing if we invest in our people then we were able to get more out of them. neither side has any credibility on this issue neither side neither side democrats are never they have never shown any real willingness to cut entitlements and republicans have a real hard time cutting defense because they don't want to look weak and so you know president obama's quote in the state of the union is first time that if we continue to spend eventually will bend the curve and i always challenge people to try that with their own credit cards to just keep spending until you come back down it's not going to happen so i think both parties are going to have to get to a quiet place where they have an honest discussion about making real cuts and spending and you can i bet you just one thing just forget about credit cards at home why don't we just look at other country examples france spends a lot of money they're bankrupt spain spends a lot of money there bankrupt italy greece the entire europe spends too much money has too much. debt there will bankrupt insolvent we're going to go to the same
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place this is groundhog day you can't repeat the same mistake again and again and expect it's going to turn out different than it was that i've been saying it for years then try to repeal social security right it will be all medicare right still around i know we're still here and that's why i think america's got problems because in the end no one's ever going to give in on either side you think we're going to repeal obamacare. we support earmarks in the goal of getting people to get signed up i don't see what the big issue is on having people covered with health care we're going to pay for it anyway why not make sure that everybody's covered and i mean let's look at it like this if somebody breaks their leg you know how much that costs if they don't have health care if they have to go to the emergency room we need to make sure that people are covered so if i don't think it's worth the fight to try to buy oshie anyway that's going to cost anyway it's not worth the fight but on them on a macro level that sounds very logical i've defended president obama sitting in the seat on many issues on this particular issue of affordable care act you know you
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can keep your doctor you know you can keep your plan you know that nobody who makes under two hundred fifty grams of the tax not true you know and on and on my favorite is that no not one dime is going to get out of the deficit well actually the grand finale six hundred seventy seven million on the website so it's not about do we want to provide people an opportunity to have health care that's like saying we want to poor people know the question is how do you get there unless you've been this is been an incredibly for all dishonest of the ages and ages the only industrialized country in the world now we have a health care plan for his people who in private nixon tried quite well the most but i would but larry that's what i'm saying i'm not that you think in how president is titled entitlement so i personally don't think that the government should mandate health care i don't but what i will say is if we've already crossed that bridge and the government's going to mandela meant that health care not one single thing that was presented promised or described about this has been delivered it's been incredibly dishonest poor jay carney who i know personally bless his
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heart has to stand at the podium every day and say that this is a promise to liberty it's been a couple it's been the republican candidate you want you don't want to be doing that's what went on to listen to it let me let me put it this way do you have to break everybody else's success in life destroy them to to win for the few people who are out of the game that's the point here brock obama could've said here's a problem he's. a group of people that don't have health insurance let's figure out a way to get a form what he didn't have to do is let's wreck the entire american health care system and ruin the quality of care and the price for everyone in order to help this group he would michael care to help everybody else i'm sorry but i don't want mine to be rude to help you or anyone else but this is a big there are people who actually had health care and they actually went on the marketplace and compare their current employer health care and looked at the marketplace and there was a couple in iowa who saved five hundred dollars a month but those of a helluva lot of saying it wasn't a five or six people that you find and put on that is for a white house event well that's not the no no my point is more call that that's not what is the thing but there are many people that's not just one per one person
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there are many people who have compared to here by well many of the cancer and don't have coverage on the mainland they're going to put all the local about how do we get a break we'll come right i'm going to stay right with this topic we'll be right back.
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right see. first street. and i would think that your. orders. the end. of the mike to our outstanding panel there wayne allen root the would libertarian party candidate back in the republican party out of that party reed dickens who's a moderate on the pound and we need a moderate by the way the moderate republicans are having you convention meeting in a phone booth. is the founder of the dickens capital group and brant page's the well known democratic activist saw back to obama to you but you saw it you're not going to repeal it got
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a veto but you're not going to repeat itself we do not going to take it you're not going to take on title away from anyone but i will say as though there's an honest discussion over here and there's only about nine people involved and then there's this very emotional discussion about well there's people dying who don't have health know we all want to take care of people who have health care but the facts are that three and a half years they had to put the system in place it's been a bare split and thirty one million people are still uninsured and most of the people i think six million people have lost their doctor or their health care plan and. to the people who signed up were uninsured there are people who already have i want to go when you have the republicans never tackled this move a tackled well you say they never tack well i moderated a debate in one nine hundred sixty two live via me between senator you were home free and. honest the president of the american medical association was and said medicare will fail it will bankrupt america and will lose doctors well you would have every one bad debate and i looked up and we still have medicare but i think
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the problem is a lot of people are admitting medicare is a program a lot of americans like i get that a lot americans are needed but it is bankrupting america even brought up on the campaign that said it will eat up the entire american budget so we never go bankrupt when you look at when you look at the problem what no one is mentioning is that you say there was excess they signed up seven million people no one's mentioning that the studies are out and those who have health insurance already had it before and have it now all rates have gone up more since obamacare started that in the eight years combined before obamacare this is a bloody disaster for the middle class class this is what's happening you are robbing the middle class to give the poor and to sick and to help the rich you're bribing the rich with the biggest companies they don't need to provide health care anymore wal-mart can afford to say we won't even pay for the well we'll drop all these people let's go find it on the exchange the people who work for wal-mart get a free health care and they use food stamps and wal-mart pays nothing but what happens to small business the middle class we get destroyed and that's america the
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middle class is america this is the thing. when you roll out something in this on this grand scale it's not going to be perfect there are going to be glitches it's like you spoke about medicare there were glitches when all that rolled up let's just face that fact but at the end of the day we have people that are getting health care covers bottom line there people are getting covered that have haven't had health care ever do you know this is a fact because i don't know that oh i don't have to sell one million might be six mil you had it before and obama broke a form they signed up for you know well let's do what you want to favor but let's look at this huge spoke about insurance rates going up yeah i mean honestly to me this insurance companies that are personally raising those rates have look at your eyes who says because you're covering now lifetime caps are going to force your coverage is ok so they need to go back and look at their role model a single payer system why was that what is europe doing well is europe bankrupt yeah they've got single payer they've got big government they've got big taxes does it work france is bankrupt their own economic minister said we don't do is think
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about teams in mortality rate other countries of right to live with that well we don't we haven't is a doing job only if people live also so that in fairness as there is someone here i would say that's because we all the mcdonalds i don't think as to the health care system i think we have the greatest health care system in the world and americans and most unhealthy people who don't work out enough and eat unhealthy you think we have a better health care system than the by far in sweden but then everyone why the canadians come here when it's free for them and they come players and we have the benefit in federal in fairness it's like education education in some european countries works a certain way because but it's not scalable health care sweden smaller than louisiana right so i think in fairness in this discussion just try to find some middle ground everyone wants to tackle the issue but it hasn't been a glitch this is the problem has not come close to being solved thirty one million people are still uninsured you can't find a doctor who likes this program you're not going to find a small business person who likes this program so it's been devastating to the economy without solving the problem that's that's what concerns me about how about this one it's not just a health care problem it's a jobs problem can any of you on the left admit that barack obama's obamacare is.
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created a nation of part time workers who get this one wait for it drum roll don't have health insurance because they've a part time job with no benefits this whole aid is a mark time job trying to be balanced. but then how can i believe in my heart i've always believed that. well because you're rich you shouldn't get you shouldn't get a prescription that he can't get i think that's absurd just to me and you can get you can get limpets or and he can't is up sure you know what i would say that's that's not a republican talking point one of the keys to saving the health care system is to allow every american to buy cheap drugs in canada why is a drug cost ten dollars in canada and a thousand dollars here because obama in order to get the cooperation of the pharmaceutical companies to support obamacare cut a deal that would not allow us to buy cheap drugs in canada because you couldn't buy the drugs in the boot camp i greeted by mail but we should let him know that it wasn't as good as some of their issues with a little time this very good review your dream may come true. dickens's dream as
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jeb bush versus hillary clinton well balanced campaign. well i didn't it's not a dream of mine what i would say is that what i've always said and you know this for the last five years is that hillary clinton is the most thoughtful substantive and politically savvy candidate on the democratic party jeb bush even if his name were mark smith is the he is politically politically not only more savvy than his opponents he's also more substantive from a policy standpoint and more thoughtful i think the primary would be a messy nightmare i think jeb would get through it just by attrition because he could he's he's he's competent enough to do it and we well funded enough but i think that the national level it would be a disservice to our country if we don't have those two candidates and we tell you this everyone who points at people and says well this is the reason why no jeb bush is running this is the reason why no hillary clinton's running no one knows anything only hillary clinton and jeb bush know if they're running everyone else
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who takes a position on this it's us. self-serving person what you that has an ounce of leather because most people who are out working on their behalf are people who want to work in the white house that's it so neither one of them have made up their mind i can tell you that and i say what's wrong with that scenario there's something mentally wrong with america that the only people you can elect it's like we're back to being ill and kings and queens you gotta have a bush in obama or clinton to get elected president for the last thirty years practically that's all it that's all right but that's all what i'm talking point i think that's a no but you sir are not exactly the right guy to always want to elect a bush as a republican and a clinton or obama as a democrat can someone else get some breathing time in the room what i've proposed to you and i'm sorry what i proposed to you is that if hillary clinton and jeb bush win the nomination and i don't believe either of them have decided to run it's a huge personal decision and everyone around you is trying to push you towards it for their own self interest but if they decide to run what i can tell you for a fact is it would be an incredibly thoughtful and substantive debate and i believe whoever wins would deserve to be president and we'd be better off for you for well obviously i would define want to see hillary clinton jump into the race and twenty
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sixteen now as far as bush is concerned i mean you know he's holding out to the end of the year apparently to make an announcement to me it seems like he's analyzing to see where the republican party is going because as we all know they're looking for a platform so it seems like to me he's trying to look at this scene to see what's going to pan out he made a comment about supporting immigration to me it seems like he's trying to steer towards getting a certain demographic of voters just you know gays the area i just think that he doesn't know what he wants to do is probably going to can so let me mention a dark horse i would be surprised if you don't hear the mitt romney getting back in i'd be very surprised if you don't hear what not i believe it was he's looking at yourself to be better than having a treat now although let me just say one personal note i said twenty five feet from the oval office for several years and i've traveled with the president i've seen the personal toll from a presidential campaign from austin texas all the way the white house i can tell you just from my own personal observation that i don't think jeb bush or hillary
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clinton are doing. little calculus right now they forgotten more about politics than will ever know i think they're making a personal decision of do i want to put my family through this trial i want to dredge up my entire personal history hillary has health records that may not be so glowing so i think they're making personal decision i think henry has more problems than i think she is six billion dollars missing at state department right now under her leadership six billion in funds are missing that's the inspector general's report not a republican not a democrat not partisan and he says no internal controls and it was fraud you you mentioned mitt romney still going to get one why did cyclonus know i decided not well actually if i had a druthers right now someone who thinks like me would be a rand paul or ted cruz but i don't think they have a chance to make it the guy who i think has the best credentials that could make it to scott walker the governor of wisconsin he took a state that was two billion a deficit turned into a surplus he's given a tax cut back the people out of the do it he merely reforms a little bit of government employee pension that's what we need the whole united
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states i actually think he's been an impressive governor i don't think he has the personal political to me to trolls to play at the big league level and from me there's some un known out there that we come forth so i was actually talking to us about this weeks ago when i talked to several i was trying to get out i said he's a good us talk to several people at this and the consensus of the people i've talked to who really know politics has said there's going to be jeb bush and whether or not he runs and then there's going to be probably a few governors who get reelected that you've never heard of and when you get reelected as a governor you come out with a lot of momentum and you say well you know what i ran on this i didn't implement it worked and i got reelected and then you turn your eyes toward the white house so i think you're going to have a couple governors you know when you talk about thoughtful and intellectual bobby jindal is another name that you have but again you're not really no political not about medicals national why we have so much viciousness in the country when you recently said you tweeted yeah obama is weak incompetent dangerous communist who
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does not have america's interest in mind far worse than jim. yeah far worse than jimmy carter jimmy carter's role in the carter center patriot who loved his country but i think was misguided and incompetent morocco bodies the radical go to peace through the middle east is still with us but what he did on american economy what he did to my dad the small but you know what you call obama a communist commie is another word strawman it's another record in the progressive you guys but i want aggressive you made it nice but it really means you support a system where government's in control of everything executive orders the n.s.a. the iraqis you can argue are a lot of people make statements like that don't you think that all you do is incite the west and if you've got a fifty fifty balance in the country or fifty one forty nine you never going to have cohesion but how come no one ever criticize the left when the left calls people like me who believe in the same things the founding fathers limited government smaller taxes or the toilet they call me radical they call six tree they call us terrorist effort democrats use the word terrorist describes it cruz nobody says a word but when you try to accurately describe above us policies as socialist left
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leaning that's an accurate if only i would say if you called ted cruz the right fascist yes that would be absurd well i didn't call obama the right or anything like that quotable commies like us commies i mean if you want company control your life i think we have a we have a very flawed system right that our founding fathers graced us with and it's always been sensationalist right even back when they're heading up a footpath what's in the hundreds it's always been like this i think every day americans who are working really hard going to soccer practice going home taking their kids of the tutor wherever they actually don't take us in d.c. or fox news seriously i think every day americans too now all of the sensationalist rhetoric i think it undermines undermines how serious of a decision is let me just a quick example barack obama the only data point i can tell you is he made a very wise and mature decision keeping continuity of national security council from the previous administration kept a lot of people in place behave very much early but then the presidency and i said
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this on your old show the presidency the decision making job and barack obama. had zero decision making this experience in his entire career i will tell you this for a fact out of his first ten big decisions in his first term he punted on like eight of them president putin hillary clinton would not the president would not be behaving this way a president if hillary clinton were the president so i do think barack obama has been weak but not because i don't think he's i don't think it's because he hates the country i think he's trying the best he can in the presidency is a really difficult day diet and everyone knows no one wants to do that no one of what the book so the government said is a fraud well isn't that exact same way obamacare was sold let's assume obamacare is good let's assume more people let's assume it up people save lives but it was sold in a misleading fraudulent way if obama went on national t.v. as a private sector c.e.o. and say if you like your church and keep it it turned out not to be true he'd be going to prison of the writing like are that not that i mean fraud is that if you get the vote in the congress you win right and if you pass but he didn't have the vote either way he won the office and through court five to four. it's the law is
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the law this might be is it really about president obama's policy or just the fact to be out to destroy everything that he set out to do from the beginning i mean i'm looking at it from the time he said to put in office there was everything it was just this vicious attack i'm going to do the same here in the book exact same lessons but i don't reagan you don't say what i think is no walk can't we can't both sides come together and let's inforce these pot is low and he said there's a list there it's not a one we want to see reagan fail as they did i would say columbia diversity and i'm going to come on like classic love to give a standing ovation when it was announced the president's been shot when reagan was in the sas nation stepped up and my class gave a standing ovation they were happy they thought reagan was every cable in the union and who by the way who was in my class you barack obama he stood up well i didn't see him he was a class of eighty three political science like me telling his panel back with more . quiet. thank you read for balance the see if i don't have
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